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9/14/2012 10:01:36 PM
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The Mail Sack is here to save the day!
[url=http://www.bungie.net/News/Blog.aspx?mode=news#cid32192]Let's open the Sack[/url].
As for the challenge, guessing at Bungie Lore won't be enough. We want to see your problem solving mojo. Team up if you will, but a winner is just a guesser without documentation of how they solved the puzzle.
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Wow, this was great. Although I mostly figured out that first step on my own (after getting the clues and someone's idea about the 7 steps to world domination), I doubt I would have ever come up with the maze traversal step. Great problem solving, folks!
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Nevermind. [Edited on 09.16.2012 12:32 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you please explain?[/quote]I mean if I googled cryptography and saw the cesear cipher it would have helped me figure out the puzzle faster than normal, so having it presented to me before hand isn't necessarily more advantageous than simply looking for ciphers.[/quote]Oh, so you're saying that if TheMisssingLink just made a lot of miniature puzzles, enough that we would have troubles discerning which one will actually be used for the challenge, it would make little difference? That makes sense. Although, it sounds like it might require some additional effort on his part; but it seems like he enjoys making these puzzles. :D [quote]Although if you put the puzzles in a different context or simply post ciphers then the results will vary. Then again either way a group might be seen as a liability, MissingLink meant it in jest anyway.[/quote]Yeah, but I still hope TheMisssingLink actually wants beta testers. It sounds like fun, and I don't really need another Mailsack shirt, especially when it could go to someone with no Bungie Swag, or at least, someone who hasn't won, yet.[/quote] I was so close to winning, so close. Never again. But like I said, Mr. Link could study us over a period of time and handpick a small number of volunteers to help him beta test, because in this mail sack there were so many variations of the answers (like general petraues being marty). We could accept a ToC of sorts, or an NDA of sorts to insure we don't provide aid to the puzzle unless specified by him.
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I am so incredibly happy that I don't feel the NEED to take part in these things anymore. Nicely done to the winner(s). Until next week, can't wait to stalk all you hard workers again. [Edited on 09.16.2012 12:06 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you please explain?[/quote]I mean if I googled cryptography and saw the cesear cipher it would have helped me figure out the puzzle faster than normal, so having it presented to me before hand isn't necessarily more advantageous than simply looking for ciphers.[/quote]Oh, so you're saying that if TheMisssingLink just made a lot of miniature puzzles, enough that we would have troubles discerning which one will actually be used for the challenge, it would make little difference? That makes sense. Although, it sounds like it might require some additional effort on his part; but it seems like he enjoys making these puzzles. :D [quote]Although if you put the puzzles in a different context or simply post ciphers then the results will vary. Then again either way a group might be seen as a liability, MissingLink meant it in jest anyway.[/quote]Yeah, but I still hope TheMisssingLink actually wants beta testers. It sounds like fun, and I don't really need another Mailsack shirt, especially when it could go to someone with no Bungie Swag, or at least, someone who hasn't won, yet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you please explain?[/quote]I mean if I googled cryptography and saw the cesear cipher it would have helped me figure out the puzzle faster than normal, so having it presented to me before hand isn't necessarily more advantageous than simply looking for ciphers. Although if you put the puzzles in a different context or simply post ciphers then the results will vary. Then again either way a group might be seen as a liability, MissingLink meant it in jest anyway. [Edited on 09.16.2012 11:26 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 He could just not post the official challenge but a variation or just post cyphers and time us.[/quote]But then, volunteers would still have an advantage. They'd have a good idea, and practice, on how to solve the challenge, beforehand. It's just a matter of finding out which step to take. [quote]Under those conditions technically our experience won't exceed that of simply googling "Cryptography", even if the testing results will be slightly less conclusive.[/quote]I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you please explain?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMisssingLink [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mythical Wolf Mind telling us where you get the idea for these challenges? They're pretty good.[/quote] This is actually related to the Mail Sack! One of the questions this week was about the favorite classes that we've taken in school. DeeJ snipped my answer a little bit (though he was more than welcome to do so!), but I had mentioned that, within computer science, cryptography was one of my favorite classes. While a lot of it did have to do with modern techniques (the truly mathy cryptographic stuff that we use today), we did start out doing simple things like Caesar, Vigenère, and Substitution ciphers (not to mention how easy they are to break!). Our first project was to find about 800 characters of source material, remove all spaces and convert all letters to capitals, and encrypt it with a substitution cipher. Our second project was that we got someone else's submission, and we had to decode it. (The one I got was nearly impossible because it was song lyrics, which broke many of the assumptions of English because they weren't necessarily complete sentences [i.e., A was more common than E, and IMA was much more common than THE]). I was already kind of intrigued by the idea of passing encrypted messages to friends in class (since one or two of my messages got intercepted and read once). Taking the class was a huge boon. And one of my favorite times of year is competing in the various Puzzle Hunts that they have in the area. That gives me fodder for all sorts of ideas.[/quote] Well I think you should go back to using more computer science stuff as that stuff is more fun :P I mean who doesn't like mucking around with binary, ascii, stenography and other awesome stuff? ie. a challenge which involves looking at the actual source of the image to find the hidden message or things which don't involve visual annoyingness :P
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Well done, winrar.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 TheMisssingLink, it seems you already have a small crackteam of volunteers at your disposal. :D[/quote] It could work via privatr group where we set the clock and mimic the Community and bounce ideas off each other, then when the finish lines in sight , we break off and race to the finish line. The only drawback? We wouldn't be allowed to participate in the real challenge, but could point them the right direction at missing links discretion. It'd be fun. It'd be pretty cool to get a sneek peek at the challenge.[/quote] If TheMisssingLink were to beta test through Bungie.net users, a group would basically be the only way to go, and participants shouldn't be allowed to win or help with the challenges. But, there's another, very key drawback. Participants could help other users cheat, or perhaps, even themselves, very easily. TheMisssingLink needs people he can trust; I don't think we really fit that description.[/quote] There could be a trust system/ game he could implement.[/quote] I wouldn't leave the question of trust to an automated system, if that's what you mean. The way I see it, the only people that could be deserving of such trust would be Forum Ninjas (as they've earned their title with some degree of trustability), Bungie employees, and a few hand selected people or perhaps even users, if he really thinks he could trust any of us yet. But I think TheMisssingLink was mostly joking about the beta team, anyway. :D
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He could just not post the official challenge but a variation or just post cyphers and time us. Under those conditions technically our experience won't exceed that of simply googling "Cryptography", even if the testing results will be slightly less conclusive. [Edited on 09.16.2012 11:11 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 TheMisssingLink, it seems you already have a small crackteam of volunteers at your disposal. :D[/quote] It could work via privatr group where we set the clock and mimic the Community and bounce ideas off each other, then when the finish lines in sight , we break off and race to the finish line. The only drawback? We wouldn't be allowed to participate in the real challenge, but could point them the right direction at missing links discretion. It'd be fun. It'd be pretty cool to get a sneek peek at the challenge.[/quote] If TheMisssingLink were to beta test through Bungie.net users, a group would basically be the only way to go, and participants shouldn't be allowed to win or help with the challenges. But, there's another, very key drawback. Participants could help other users cheat, or perhaps, even themselves, very easily. TheMisssingLink needs people he can trust; I don't think we really fit that description.[/quote] There could be a trust system/ game he could implement.
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Well, this was fun. Congrats to the winner! Looking back, all that I said was just wrong. Haha! Thanks for the puzzle, MisssingLink!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 TheMisssingLink, it seems you already have a small crackteam of volunteers at your disposal. :D[/quote] It could work via privatr group where we set the clock and mimic the Community and bounce ideas off each other, then when the finish lines in sight , we break off and race to the finish line. The only drawback? We wouldn't be allowed to participate in the real challenge, but could point them the right direction at missing links discretion. It'd be fun. It'd be pretty cool to get a sneek peek at the challenge.[/quote] If TheMisssingLink were to beta test through Bungie.net users, a group would basically be the only way to go, and participants shouldn't be allowed to win or help with the challenges. But, there's another, very key drawback. Participants could help other users cheat, or perhaps, even themselves, very easily. TheMisssingLink needs people he can trust; I don't think we really fit that description. [Edited on 09.16.2012 10:01 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMisssingLink I need beta testers.[/quote]I volunteer myself. :D[/quote]I could also join in and rage disproportionate amounts.[/quote]Seems legit. Count me in.[/quote]Haha... TheMisssingLink, it seems you already have a small crackteam of volunteers at your disposal. :D[/quote] It could work via privatr group where we set the clock and mimic the Community and bounce ideas off each other, then when the finish lines in sight , we break off and race to the finish line. The only drawback? We wouldn't be allowed to participate in the real challenge, but could point them the right direction at missing links discretion. It'd be fun. It'd be pretty cool to get a sneek peek at the challenge.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MURDUR 587 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Izak609 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMisssingLink I need beta testers.[/quote]I volunteer myself. :D[/quote]I could also join in and rage disproportionate amounts.[/quote]Seems legit. Count me in.[/quote]Haha... TheMisssingLink, it seems you already have a small crackteam of volunteers at your disposal. :D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kalriq [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior For the record: I've pretty much guessed right twice in a row. Just saying. That's pretty impressive. :P Awesome puzzle! Still confuses me, but yeah. Best give this man a fancy pants prize considering how hard this was, hah.[/quote] The wierd thing is that it isnt so difficult when thinking outside the box. Although, the puzzle was rather abstract.[/quote]I get what you mean. I find it kinda funny how I tried to pass off the whole 'join the dots' theory, with the belief that if we ordered the pictures right it would lead us to how to decode the answer. Turns out both ideas were right![/quote] Cake for everyone! It'd be interesting to see a mailsack challenge where its Community wide and solving it grants all major participants a reward, online or otherwise. [Edited on 09.16.2012 9:27 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Unanimate Objec [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior For the record: I've pretty much guessed right twice in a row. Just saying. That's pretty impressive. :P Awesome puzzle! Still confuses me, but yeah. Best give this man a fancy pants prize considering how hard this was, hah.[/quote] The wierd thing is that it isnt so difficult when thinking outside the box. Although, the puzzle was rather abstract.[/quote]I get what you mean. I find it kinda funny how I tried to pass off the whole 'join the dots' theory, with the belief that if we ordered the pictures right it would lead us to how to decode the answer. Turns out both ideas were right!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior For the record: I've pretty much guessed right twice in a row. Just saying. That's pretty impressive. :P Awesome puzzle! Still confuses me, but yeah. Best give this man a fancy pants prize considering how hard this was, hah.[/quote] The wierd thing is that it isnt so difficult when thinking outside the box. Although, the puzzle was rather abstract, which makes the outside of the box pretty complex to begin with. [Edited on 09.16.2012 9:16 AM PDT]
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For the record: I've pretty much guessed right twice in a row. Just saying. That's pretty impressive. :P Awesome puzzle! Still confuses me, but yeah. Best give this man a fancy pants prize considering how hard this was, hah.
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So now what? Are we waiting for DeeJ, or we just chilling? Also, Link , is there a degree in cryptography, and if so, did you major or minor in it?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMisssingLink [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mythical Wolf Mind telling us where you get the idea for these challenges? They're pretty good.[/quote] This is actually related to the Mail Sack! One of the questions this week was about the favorite classes that we've taken in school. DeeJ snipped my answer a little bit (though he was more than welcome to do so!), but I had mentioned that, within computer science, cryptography was one of my favorite classes. While a lot of it did have to do with modern techniques (the truly mathy cryptographic stuff that we use today), we did start out doing simple things like Caesar, Vigenère, and Substitution ciphers (not to mention how easy they are to break!). Our first project was to find about 800 characters of source material, remove all spaces and convert all letters to capitals, and encrypt it with a substitution cipher. Our second project was that we got someone else's submission, and we had to decode it. (The one I got was nearly impossible because it was song lyrics, which broke many of the assumptions of English because they weren't necessarily complete sentences [i.e., A was more common than E, and IMA was much more common than THE]). I was already kind of intrigued by the idea of passing encrypted messages to friends in class (since one or two of my messages got intercepted and read once). Taking the class was a huge boon. And one of my favorite times of year is competing in the various Puzzle Hunts that they have in the area. That gives me fodder for all sorts of ideas.[/quote] wow.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mythical Wolf Mind telling us where you get the idea for these challenges? They're pretty good.[/quote] This is actually related to the Mail Sack! One of the questions this week was about the favorite classes that we've taken in school. DeeJ snipped my answer a little bit (though he was more than welcome to do so!), but I had mentioned that, within computer science, cryptography was one of my favorite classes. While a lot of it did have to do with modern techniques (the truly mathy cryptographic stuff that we use today), we did start out doing simple things like Caesar, Vigenère, and Substitution ciphers (not to mention how easy they are to break!). Our first project was to find about 800 characters of source material, remove all spaces and convert all letters to capitals, and encrypt it with a substitution cipher. Our second project was that we got someone else's submission, and we had to decode it. (The one I got was nearly impossible because it was song lyrics, which broke many of the assumptions of English because they weren't necessarily complete sentences [i.e., A was more common than E, and IMA was much more common than THE]). I was already kind of intrigued by the idea of passing encrypted messages to friends in class (since one or two of my messages got intercepted and read once). Taking the class was a huge boon. And one of my favorite times of year is competing in the various Puzzle Hunts that they have in the area. That gives me fodder for all sorts of ideas.
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Congratulations.
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finally
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Holy crap, Deej, if you thought that this was easier, then your brain must of thought in Valve time! (I know, i know, mentioning VALVE on BUNGIE forums, get over it. Their almost neighbors). This one required a metric -blam!-ton more work than the other one. And on the other one, you atleast gave us a starting point with the image, this one gave us no starting point! Can't wait for next weeks challenge, WAIT, LETS US (The community) give you (Bungie staff) a challenge! If you win, well, you get some pretty epic pats on the backs!
