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9/2/2012 4:54:32 PM
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Halo 4: A Hero Awakens -- Speculative Thread
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QULEcokHPQc]I'll assume we've all seen the ViDoc, but just in case...[/url]
This thread is for speculation of the Campaign. A brief outline of the things that were "new" in the above linked video is provided by yours truly below (if I've missed anything please say so!)
- 1:39 in the video - one of the narrative designers, Lindsay Lockhart, says this: "..Chief is a guardian. Cortana is his guardian. The Forerunners were the guardians of their own Universe, and [b]they[/b] might have to make a decision that not everyone is going to agree with and some people are going to condemn". "They" is not specified (is it Chief/Cortana, or the Forerunners?)
- 2:25 in the video - Jen Taylor voice acting as either Cortana or Halsey (most likely Cortana in my opinion), she says "I'm not doing this for mankind". What is "this"?
- 3:19 in the video - a shot of Infinity and a powerful fleet surrounding it, consisting of Marathon-class cruisers.
- 3:33 in the video - a shot of two Phantoms being annihilated? By a sphere in the background similar to the one we saw in the E3 demo.
- 5:10 in the video - a shot of (presumably) Captain Del Rio of the UNSC [i]Infinity[/i]; confrontational with Chief. The big thing here is, Chief clearly turns to face Del Rio with a hint of threat; it looks like Chief is confronting a superior back, not something we're used to with John's usually ice cool nature.
- 7:14 in the video - a good section of video showing Chief and Cortana talking about her mortality. Chief mentions getting back to Earth to get her to Halsey, but we know Halsey is locked up near Installation 03 on the top secret ONI research station [i]Ivanoff[/i].
- 7:43 in the video - Cortana struggling with a flood of warning and error signs.
- 8:11 in the video - Cortana apologises for her outburst, flickering red, as Chief, Del Rio and (presumably) Lasky look stunned.
- 8:21 in the video - Cortana recognises a Forerunner symbol for Reclaimer (tie-in with Mendicant Bias's fragment on The Ark sending Chief here?)
- 10:08 in the video - Chief walking out on Del Rio, his superior. O.o
- 10:13 in the video - Chief jumping off a Ghost like a badass. Sorry, had to include it.
- 10:18 in the video - is that Halsey?! She lookin' old. Does this mean Chief visits her at the Ivanoff research station?
- 10:33 in the video - eerie moment as Cortana says "Don't make a girl a promise you know you can't keep". Notice the contrast with her Halo 2 line "Don't make a girl a promise if you know you can't keep it". This time, she seems sure that Chief will be unable to hold whatever his promise was.
Ok that's all.
Speculation 1:
I think there's a definite link between this decision that Chief/Cortana will make that people won't like, the scene where Del Rio was angry with Chief, and the Cortana line "I'm not doing this for mankind". I'm not sure what but I'm certain these points link up.
Will add more speculation as I think, please do the same!
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You are ridiculously behind on the information. They were talking about the forerunners doing something we might all be happy with thus it may be safe to assume that this trilogy is just warming us up for the precursors since they have the next 20 years of lore planned out. I thought that was a portal not a sphere, the symbol was reclamation, Halsey is on the infinity. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybj3LmvMHgE&feature=player_detailpage#t=235s[/url] 3:54-3:55 didact lines and fight scene, Pics [url]http://postimage.org/image/k8k2j34zf/[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/3AqSp.jpg[/url] You need to read the Thursday war "preview" on amazon since everything about the didact and such was brought up in the novel.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 They were talking about the forerunners doing something we might not all be happy with thus it may be safe to assume that this trilogy is just warming us up for the precursors since they have the next 20 years of lore planned out.[/quote] Do you have any source material we've seen to suggest the Forerunners are the ones committing this act? "They" was not defined as either the Forerunners or Chief/Cortana, and I at least have a theory supported by the Cortana's "I'm not doing this for mankind" (hence not everyone being happy with said act) and the idea of Del Rio being infuriated with whatever Chief/Cortana were collaborating in. Meanwhile there's no evidence - as of yet - as to any act that the Forerunners are about to commit, so I don't know where you got that from. [quote]You need to read the Thursday war "preview" on amazon since everything about the didact and such was brought up in the novel.[/quote] I've only read it without signing into Amazon. Anton said something about reading 60 pages - I got about 33 or something with a few pages taken out, so I assume I didn't get the full preview. Actually reading through that script screenshot is really interesting; the Didact has a motion capture actor, Cortana seems to be climbing all over him and pulling a string of energy from a specific body part of his....and both the Didact and Chief hanging idle?
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Um i linked you to a script with the chief fighting the Didact and I just told you that the thursday war is where i am getting all of this from. I have pretty much read the entire book along with a sizable hundred from waypoint. Cortana's statement was to the Didact after he said "Your compassion for Mankind is Misplaced". Did you even read everything i posted before commenting? The chief is Idle because he was Almost killed.
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I know that yet another negative comment from someone who's been against Halo 4 from the begining probably doesn't mean anything, but...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 Um i linked you to a script with the chief fighting the Didact and I just told you that the thursday war is where i am getting all of this from. I have pretty much read the entire book along with a sizable hundred from waypoint. Cortana's statement was to the Didact after he said "Your compassion for Mankind is Misplaced". Did you even read everything i posted before commenting? The chief is Idle because he was Almost killed.[/quote] Spoilers, much?
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Not really my issue; Go dark.
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03:33 looks like a Halo Ring transitioning out of slipspace to me, but I very much doubt that would be put in the ViDoc.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 03:33 looks like a Halo Ring transitioning out of slipspace to me, but I very much doubt that would be put in the ViDoc.[/quote] May have been an EMP field of some sort.
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I want to know 1. At the end, was that really Halsey? 2. If so, why is she on Infinity rather than at Installation 03? 3. What if she is at Installation 03 and Chief goes there?
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She was put on the infinity which went to requiem (the thursday war).
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Spoilers... Cortana gets a physical form according to the script. Thus, the Composer did its work.
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Halo 4 is on a whole new scale of epic. Some people go around saying 343 spoiled too much but I honestly think it's just too much to take in. I'm caught between my love of the gameplay and my love of the story. Of course, if 343 are correct, story and gameplay should be in perfect harmony this time, making Halo 4 the most immersive Halo to date! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoolCJ24 - 10:13 in the video - Chief jumping off a Ghost like a badass. Sorry, had to include it.[/quote]It seems to have been EMP'd? Also, wasn't there a scene where Chief sends an Elite in a Ghost off a cliff?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 She was put on the infinity which went to requiem (the thursday war).[/quote] Really? I don't remember reading that in the preview. Also I'm rewatching the ViDoc and 2:41 Forerunner scan of the FuD? 5:10 My money's on that they're arguing about Cortana. 10:08 Could this be Chief walking out on Del Rio after said argument? If so that would be huge character-wise as Chief, being raised a SPARTAN-II form age 6, almost never disobeys orders or defies a commander. 10:23 No idea what this is.
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My questions about this game are: 1. Why are the Forerunner constructs suddenly organic in nature, and why the heck do they have Human skulls in them? 2. If the goal is to "take master chief out of his comfort zone" then why are the UNSC and Covenant even in this game? He's been fighting them for 3 games and several books. 3. I like how they are going about Cortana's mortality, but I don't like the above mentioning of her becoming "real" cause its something that may actually be put in the game. I don't want this game to become a Tron Legacy knockoff. 4. How in any way is this artifact the "biggest Forerunner artifact ever"? I mean, we have Onyx, which was an ENTIRE PLANET. And then we had the Ark, which was basically a small moon and THEN SOME. Then there is the Dyson Sphere in Halo Wars which, again was an entire planet. It seems to me that 343 has lost all connection with the Halo universe and doesn't care. And even then, since when was "bigger" better?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K 1. Why are the Forerunner constructs suddenly organic in nature, and why the heck do they have Human skulls in them?[/quote] We don't know yet, but if the Composer [i]is[/i] in Halo 4 then it's evident why. [quote]2. If the goal is to "take master chief out of his comfort zone" then why are the UNSC and Covenant even in this game? He's been fighting them for 3 games and several books.[/quote] Because juxtaposing the personal story with the large-scale nature of this story emphasises the effect of John being completely out of his depth. [quote]3. I like how they are going about Cortana's mortality, but I don't like the above mentioning of her becoming "real" cause its something that may actually be put in the game. I don't want this game to become a Tron Legacy knockoff.[/quote] Well we won't know this and how it plays out until the game is released. [quote]4. How in any way is this artifact the "biggest Forerunner artifact ever"? I mean, we have Onyx, which was an ENTIRE PLANET. And then we had the Ark, which was basically a small moon and THEN SOME. Then there is the Dyson Sphere in Halo Wars which, again was an entire planet.[/quote] Because Requiem is a planet encased in a Dyson Sphere - unlike other Shied Worlds where there's just the concave shell encasing a star, Requiem encases a planet. [quote]It seems to me that 343 has lost all connection with the Halo universe and doesn't care. And even then, since when was "bigger" better?[/quote] ... wut? This line of 'logic' just makes [i]no sense[/i]...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 We don't know yet, but if the Composer [i]is[/i] in Halo 4 then it's evident why.[/quote] I'll have to ask who the Composer is, but I'm assuming this has to do with nature-like qualities of some of the tech. Even then, this still does not fit the Forerunner's technological record. [quote]Because juxtaposing the personal story with the large-scale nature of this story emphasises the effect of John being completely out of his depth.[/quote] Not necessarily, because Master Chief already had a small experience with such a situation in Halo 3. I feel the MC would be completely unprepared to deal with a rampant Cortana (due to fear of death) who turns the Forerunner artifact against him in an effort to keep him from ever leaving. Now that would be "out of his depth". [quote]Because Requiem is a planet encased in a Dyson Sphere - unlike other Shied Worlds where there's just the concave shell encasing a star, Requiem encases a planet.[/quote] Um... Actually Onyx was a planet within a planet. The center of Onyx was a portal which led to a slipspace bubble that contained a planet larger than Onyx itself. So, I'd say these two are easily comparable. And a dyson sphere with a planet inside of it is unbelievably redundant. [Edited on 09.03.2012 12:01 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K I'll have to ask who the Composer is, but I'm assuming this has to do with nature-like qualities of some of the tech. Even then, this still does not fit the Forerunner's technological record.[/quote] The Composer is a Forerunner entity capable of taking memories, gei and consciousnesses from an organic being and placing it into an Ancilla. How does it not fit their technological record when the only defense constructs we've seen from them are Sentinels (Enforcers and Onyx Sentinels)? [quote]Not necessarily, because Master Chief already had a small experience with such a situation in Halo 3. I feel the MC would be completely unprepared to deal with a rampant Cortana (due to fear of death) who turns the Forerunner artifact against him in an effort to keep him from ever leaving. Now that would be "out of his depth".[/quote] We can't make any meaningful comment on this because the game isn't out yet... [quote]Um... Actually Onyx was a planet within a planet. The center of Onyx was a portal which led to a slipspace bubble that contained a planet larger than Onyx itself. So, I'd say these two are easily comparable. And a dyson sphere with a planet inside of it is unbelievably redundant.[/quote] *facedesk* You're not getting what I'm saying. Onyx did not encase a planet, it encased a STAR at the centre and the 'planet' ran around the interior of the Dyson Sphere. Requiem encases a PLANET at the centre, not a star like Onyx & Shield 0459. Requiem is a completely different Shield World to what we've seen before. How exactly is it redundant? Once again, you CAN'T make that judgement when the game isn't out yet - the planet may well be something of significance to the Forerunners.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The Composer is a Forerunner entity capable of taking memories, gei and consciousnesses from an organic being and placing it into an Ancilla. How does it not fit their technological record when the only defense constructs we've seen from them are Sentinels (Enforcers and Onyx Sentinels)?[/quote] The several constructs we've seen in the past (Sentinels, larger sentinels, and Monitors) do not indicate they create technology in an organic fashion. In fact, everything we'd seen in the games till now contrasted nature heavily. So suddenly spewing out things with human/insect qualities is odd to me. [quote]We can't make any meaningful comment on this because the game isn't out yet...[/quote] What I've said is perfectly arguable with current information. [quote] *facedesk* You're not getting what I'm saying. Onyx did not encase a planet, it encased a STAR at the centre and the 'planet' ran around the interior of the Dyson Sphere. Requiem encases a PLANET at the centre, not a star like Onyx & Shield 0459. Requiem is a completely different Shield World to what we've seen before.[/quote] You are correct, but the fact of the matter is it was a planet that contained a dyson sphere within it. Still comparable. Planet, which has a portal at the center. This portal leads to a Dyson Sphere within Slipspace (which is why it was a shield world). The Halo Wars planet, however, was not the same as this. [quote]How exactly is it redundant? Once again, you CAN'T make that judgement when the game isn't out yet - the planet may well be something of significance to the Forerunners.[/quote] Why would you ever encase a planet in a dyson sphere? Unless it was one that emanated significant energy I see no reason. link: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere[/url] "Such a "sphere" would be a system of orbiting solar power satellites meant to completely encompass a star and capture most or all of its energy output." [Edited on 09.03.2012 12:26 PM PDT]
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I thought the prominent theory knocking about right now was that Requiem is a folded-up Greater Ark. Been staying away from [i]Halo 4[/i] spoilers, so I don't know if that's been debunked, but it seems likely that the one we saw in [i]Halo 3[/i] is just the Lesser Ark.
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Heeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll no frog,lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 Heeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll no frog,lol.[/quote] Why?
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Because that doesn't really make sense or fit with anything. I can't say anything more if you don't want spoilers other than were are suppose to go somewhere else that isn't an ark.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UL7IM4 G33K The several constructs we've seen in the past (Sentinels, larger sentinels, and Monitors) do not indicate they create technology in an organic fashion. In fact, everything we'd seen in the games till now contrasted nature heavily. So suddenly spewing out things with human/insect qualities is odd to me.[/quote] All the Monitors are based off the personality fragments of a human called Chakas who was 'composed' into an Ancilla by the Composer. Again, this whole thing with the Promethean-Knights and their organic-y appearance may well end up being the solution to surviving the Halo firing - the Composer turns them into synthetic defense constructs. Also, we have seen this kind of insectoid/human aesthetic before from [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/d/d8/SpartanBlack_-_The_Gatherer.jpg/316px-SpartanBlack_-_The_Gatherer.jpg]the Gatherer Sentinel[/url] and [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/e/e8/Strato-Sentinel.png]Strato-Sentinel[/url]. [quote]You are correct, but the fact of the matter is it was a planet that contained a dyson sphere within it. Still comparable. Planet, which has a portal at the center. This portal leads to a Dyson Sphere within Slipspace (which is why it was a shield world). The Halo Wars planet, however, was not the same as this.[/quote] Shield 0459 from Wars is more similar to Requiem than Trevelyan is. Requiem, like 0459, is accessed through docking ports on the surface of the 'planet' rather than requiring the descent into the planet down multiple levels to reach the Core-Room Antechamber portal. [Edited on 09.03.2012 12:36 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 Because that doesn't really make sense or fit with anything. I can't say anything more if you don't want spoilers other than were are suppose to go somewhere else that isn't an ark.[/quote] Alright, I just figured it was possible since the description in [i]Cryptum[/i] seems to match what we've seen of Requiem, provided the petals and such are folded. But like I said, I've been staying away from spoilers. It's something I'm happy to be surprised by in the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 Heeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllll no frog,lol.[/quote] To be fair, [url=http://i27.tinypic.com/ogi4qt.jpg]the original design of what appears to be the Ark[i]s[/i][/url] appears fairly similar to Requiem - metallic outer shell encasing a planet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 All the Monitors are based off the personality fragments of a human called Chakas who was 'composed' into an Ancilla by the Composer. Again, this whole thing with the Promethean-Knights and their organic-y appearance may well end up being the solution to surviving the Halo firing - the Composer turns them into synthetic defense constructs. Also, we have seen this kind of insectoid/human aesthetic before from [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/d/d8/SpartanBlack_-_The_Gatherer.jpg/316px-SpartanBlack_-_The_Gatherer.jpg]the Gatherer Sentinel[/url] and [url=http://www.halopedia.org/images/e/e8/Strato-Sentinel.png]Strato-Sentinel[url].[/quote] I was arguing from the game's standpoint. And the difference is in how they move. In Halo 4, these things move and look exactly like insects or humanoid creatures. In Halo 1, 2, 3, etc the Drones and the like move in very mechanical means. Not to mention Forerunner structures are as clean sci/fi as you can get. As distant as possible from nature. I don't understand why this innate quality of the Forerunners has changed. [quote]Shield 0459 from Wars is more similar to Requiem than Trevelyan is. Requiem, like 0459, is accessed through docking ports on the surface of the 'planet' rather than requiring the descent into the planet down multiple levels to reach the Core-Room Antechamber portal.[/quote] There are similarities between both. And sure, physical size may not be comparable but the concept is. A world within a world. And I still stand by my opinion that a planet inside a dyson sphere makes no sense to anyone who knows what a dyson sphere is.
