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    Munitions lll

    Munitions lll

    8/12/2012 10:01:00 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie This conversation is going in circles with these fairy tales. How about I just sing the tune you want and you can go dancing around the room with a flag to it: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M]Aaaaaammmeeeriica Ammmerrrriica![/url][/quote] you seem mad maybe stop ignoring my points?
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    HALO12325

    HALO12325

    8/12/2012 3:21:55 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 Japan is an island nation, and would have adequate time to train their troops. If you assume that the Allies would just standing by and watch China invade country after country, sure, China would win but if they don't, they're not going to make it to Canada, not even close. Yes, North Korean troops aren't as well taken care of as South Korean troops, and are generally much shorter. I suggest you look into the Korean war, taking Seoul doesn't mean that the war is over. Numbers alone don't win wars, especially when the technological advantage in all sections(airforce, navy, land) is so great. [/quote] Riiiiight. Look, I'm done here. You seem to believe in miracles. Japan could not turn the JDF into a military in enough time to matter, and OUR military says that if North Korea rolls on the South it has three days. This conversation is going in circles with these fairy tales. How about I just sing the tune you want and you can go dancing around the room with a flag to it: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M]Aaaaaammmeeeriica Ammmerrrriica![/url][/quote] As I said, Seoul being taken =/= war over. I don't think you understand how effective modern tanks and airplanes are over troops who can barely fight back, but that's fine.
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    MyNameIsCharlie

    MyNameIsCharlie

    8/12/2012 3:19:17 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 Japan is an island nation, and would have adequate time to train their troops. If you assume that the Allies would just standing by and watch China invade country after country, sure, China would win but if they don't, they're not going to make it to Canada, not even close. Yes, North Korean troops aren't as well taken care of as South Korean troops, and are generally much shorter. I suggest you look into the Korean war, taking Seoul doesn't mean that the war is over. Numbers alone don't win wars, especially when the technological advantage in all sections(airforce, navy, land) is so great. [/quote] Riiiiight. Look, I'm done here. You seem to believe in miracles. Japan could not turn the JDF into a military in enough time to matter, and OUR military says that if North Korea rolls on the South it has three days. This conversation is going in circles with these fairy tales. How about I just sing the tune you want and you can go dancing around the room with a flag to it: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M]Aaaaaammmeeeriica Ammmerrrriica![/url] [Edited on 08.11.2012 7:19 PM PDT]
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    Just Luck

    Just Luck

    8/12/2012 3:17:22 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Just Luck China would never start -blam!-. Neither would Russia. You guys seem to like to talk in extreme hypotheticals. China doesn't care about North Korea. North Korea is completely inconsequential and unimportant. Russia and China would never go to war over North Korea. ESPECIALLY against the U.S. The ONLY damage North Korea could ever inflict would be on South Korea. And if North Korea started anything, China and Russia wouldn't intervene much if at all if the U.S. and South Korea decided to go ape -blam!- on them. [/quote] I agree. My hypothetical is directed to the posters that seemed to think we would ROFLstomp the Chinese, and that we are invulnerable. You would have to be pretty stupid to think that you are beyond harm.[/quote]Right. In a hypothetical war between the two, I feel like the American military is more powerful. BUT, that's not to say that China couldn't inflict a lot of damage.
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    Cromy1

    Cromy1

    8/12/2012 3:15:35 AM Permalink
    Well US military for sure. The thing is within a few years China will have surpassed our military, because the Trillions of dollars they get from all the stuff we buy from them, literally goes into their government and military. Communism at its finest!
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    HALO12325

    HALO12325

    8/12/2012 3:15:08 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people. [/quote] Uhmm, it has a population of 130,000,000. They would be allowed to have a military, and training would begin immediately, just like how it did back in Korea. The only thing North Korea has over South Korea is artillery. That's it. It can only play defensive, not offensive. Their troops are weak, undernourished, have inferior weapons, inferior training, low morale and inferior everything. You don't seem to understand the effects of airpower over an enemy who doesn't have aerial superiority. It can make life for soldiers hell. North Korea's airforce is non-existent. China's is weaker than America's alone, never mind NATO. The only thing that would come about is the death of millions of Chinese and North Koreans, and the victims of North Korean artillery, and a small amount of Allied forces to get them to stop, they can't win. The Chinese don't have a magic blanket which will protect them from Allied aerial superiority. I'm not just waving my American flag around, but keeping in mind all of the factors at play, not just numbers. [/quote]Are telling me that the Japanese could manufacture a competent modern military over night? To say this was laughable would be an understatement. And North Korea's troops are malnourished etc... REALLY? The rest of the country starves so the Army can live there. They aren't the starving peasants you seem to think they are. The South Koreans understand the threat, even if you do not. The estimates for Seoul falling is about 3 days. That's OUR military estimate. So, no. The Chinese decide to start some -blam!-, not much will stop them. If the Russians opened a second front, that could stall an invasion of CONUS, but it would likely not do anything.[/quote] Japan is an island nation, and would have adequate time to train their troops. If you assume that the Allies would just stand by and watch China invade country after country, sure, China would win but if they don't, they're not going to make it to Canada, not even close. Yes, North Korean troops aren't as well taken care of as South Korean troops, and are generally much shorter. I suggest you look into the Korean war, taking Seoul doesn't mean that the war is over. Numbers alone don't win wars, especially when the technological advantage in all sections(airforce, navy, land) is so great. [Edited on 08.11.2012 7:16 PM PDT]
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    MyNameIsCharlie

    MyNameIsCharlie

    8/12/2012 3:15:00 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Just Luck China would never start -blam!-. Neither would Russia. You guys seem to like to talk in extreme hypotheticals. China doesn't care about North Korea. North Korea is completely inconsequential and unimportant. Russia and China would never go to war over North Korea. ESPECIALLY against the U.S. The ONLY damage North Korea could ever inflict would be on South Korea. And if North Korea started anything, China and Russia wouldn't intervene much if at all if the U.S. and South Korea decided to go ape -blam!- on them. [/quote] I agree. My hypothetical is directed to the posters that seemed to think we would ROFLstomp the Chinese, and that we are invulnerable. You would have to be pretty stupid to think that you are beyond harm.
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    the Han

    the Han

    8/12/2012 3:12:51 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mind Reaper 771 How about they just resolve matters peacefully to create a beneficial relationship between both parties.[/quote] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! STUFF HAS TO BLOW UP ITS THE ONLY WAY MAN!!!!
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    Just Luck

    Just Luck

    8/12/2012 3:09:29 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people. [/quote] Uhmm, it has a population of 130,000,000. They would be allowed to have a military, and training would begin immediately, just like how it did back in Korea. The only thing North Korea has over South Korea is artillery. That's it. It can only play defensive, not offensive. Their troops are weak, undernourished, have inferior weapons, inferior training, low morale and inferior everything. You don't seem to understand the effects of airpower over an enemy who doesn't have aerial superiority. It can make life for soldiers hell. North Korea's airforce is non-existent. China's is weaker than America's alone, never mind NATO. The only thing that would come about is the death of millions of Chinese and North Koreans, and the victims of North Korean artillery, and a small amount of Allied forces to get them to stop, they can't win. The Chinese don't have a magic blanket which will protect them from Allied aerial superiority. I'm not just waving my American flag around, but keeping in mind all of the factors at play, not just numbers. [/quote]Are telling me that the Japanese could manufacture a competent modern military over night? To say this was laughable would be an understatement. And North Korea's troops are malnourished etc... REALLY? The rest of the country starves so the Army can live there. They aren't the starving peasants you seem to think they are. The South Koreans understand the threat, even if you do not. The estimates for Seoul falling is about 3 days. That's OUR military estimate. So, no. The Chinese decide to start some -blam!-, not much will stop them. If the Russians opened a second front, that could stall an invasion of CONUS, but it would likely not do anything.[/quote]China would never start -blam!-. Neither would Russia. You guys seem to like to talk in extreme hypotheticals. China doesn't care about North Korea. North Korea is completely inconsequential and unimportant. Russia and China would never go to war over North Korea. ESPECIALLY against the U.S. The ONLY damage North Korea could ever inflict would be on South Korea. And if North Korea started anything, China and Russia wouldn't intervene much if at all if the U.S. and South Korea decided to go ape -blam!- on them.
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    MyNameIsCharlie

    MyNameIsCharlie

    8/12/2012 3:02:51 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people. [/quote] Uhmm, it has a population of 130,000,000. They would be allowed to have a military, and training would begin immediately, just like how it did back in Korea. The only thing North Korea has over South Korea is artillery. That's it. It can only play defensive, not offensive. Their troops are weak, undernourished, have inferior weapons, inferior training, low morale and inferior everything. You don't seem to understand the effects of airpower over an enemy who doesn't have aerial superiority. It can make life for soldiers hell. North Korea's airforce is non-existent. China's is weaker than America's alone, never mind NATO. The only thing that would come about is the death of millions of Chinese and North Koreans, and the victims of North Korean artillery, and a small amount of Allied forces to get them to stop, they can't win. The Chinese don't have a magic blanket which will protect them from Allied aerial superiority. I'm not just waving my American flag around, but keeping in mind all of the factors at play, not just numbers. [/quote]Are telling me that the Japanese could manufacture a competent modern military over night? To say this was laughable would be an understatement. And North Korea's troops are malnourished etc... REALLY? The rest of the country starves so the Army can live there. They aren't the starving peasants you seem to think they are. The South Koreans understand the threat, even if you do not. The estimates for Seoul falling is about 3 days. That's OUR military estimate. So, no. The Chinese decide to start some -blam!-, not much will stop them. If the Russians opened a second front, that could stall an invasion of CONUS, but it would likely not do anything.
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    Just Luck

    Just Luck

    8/12/2012 3:00:19 AM Permalink
    Both lose, because of our economic dependency on one another. But, America. Lol at idiots who think the Chinese military is anywhere near as powerful as the U.S.
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    HALO12325

    HALO12325

    8/12/2012 2:58:18 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people. [/quote] Uhmm, it has a population of 130,000,000. They would be allowed to have a military, and training would begin immediately, just like how South Korea did in the Korean war, except Japan would have a lot more time. The only thing North Korea has over South Korea is artillery. That's it. It can only play defensive, not offensive. Their troops are weak, undernourished, have inferior weapons, inferior training, low morale and inferior everything. You don't seem to understand the effects of airpower over an enemy who doesn't have aerial superiority. It can make life for soldiers hell. North Korea's airforce is non-existent. China's is weaker than America's alone, never mind NATO. The only thing that would come about is the death of millions of Chinese and North Koreans, and the victims of North Korean artillery, and a small amount of Allied forces to get them to stop, they can't win. The Chinese don't have a magic blanket which will protect them from Allied aerial superiority. I'm not just waving my American flag around, but keeping in mind all of the factors at play, not just numbers. [Edited on 08.11.2012 6:59 PM PDT]
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    MyNameIsCharlie

    MyNameIsCharlie

    8/12/2012 2:50:59 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people.
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    TomoK12

    TomoK12

    8/12/2012 2:49:58 AM Permalink
    Neither. The USA couldn't take over China because they have to travel overseas and vise versa.
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    Barking Spider

    Barking Spider

    8/12/2012 2:49:16 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] Oh, I know we aren't completely safe where we are nor that our military is invincible. I just know that if they went through Canada, they'd have to fight through Canada's military (which isn't as weak as many seem to think). On top of that, I'm sure we'd be helping the Canadians fight off the Chinese to keep them from making it all the way to us. And the fact that most of Canada is open space just makes it all the easier for both U.S. and Canadian forces to bombard the advancing Chinese forces without having to worry about civilian casualties.
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    HALO12325

    HALO12325

    8/12/2012 2:45:05 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] B4RK1NG SP1D3R [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Munitions lll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie I am an American, also a former infantryman, and have a degree in American History. I can say that China is the only superpower that worries me. They have an Army that is 14 million strong, and no qualms about throwing lives away. They aren't peasants with AK's and RPG's either. They are a fully modernized force that is only about a decade behind us. While we continually say the sea, and our Navy protect us, a determined assault force can get through, provided they have enough people, and the will to do it. If we were to go to war, I actually see China winning, but not through skill or technology. They win the old fashioned way, by numbers. If they wanted to take us opn, they would likely come through the Bering Straights, which is only 20 or so miles across. A massive missile salvo to keep our ships on the defensive, and then they are in Alaska. They then push South through Canada, and onto our northern borders. If they roll with enough armor, they could move quickly, and without fear of all the NRA members taking potshots with their .30.06's. For fuel they could use our refineries. Each one becomes a divisional gas station. I don't see us blowing those, we would want to recapture them, rather than destroying them. Since our military is stretched thin at the moment, we probably could not stand for long. The toughest US units would be the ones that saw combat most recently in Afghanistan. They would likely see themselves in charge of largish militia units, doing ambushes and the like. Over all, I think we would win, but China is no pushover. We would likely die as a society shortly afterwards.[/quote] Your cute little theory is dumb to say the least. Sure, china has numbers, but as soon as war is declared china wouldn't even be able to get their troops out of their own country. You do know that the US has two F-16 squadrons, an F-15 squadron, and an A-10 squadron in South Korea alone, right? They'd be attacking chinas military bases within the first hour of war. Let's not forget two more F-16 squadrons from Italy and Germany (A-10s also), and F-15s from England, that could all be on the attack within hours. Anyone who thinks china can waltz their enormous army over in cargo jets, without being shot down, is delusional. [/quote] That, and I also don't think Canada would just sit by and let China stroll a massive army through to attack America.[/quote] A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines.
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    longsword1612

    longsword1612

    8/12/2012 2:39:49 AM Permalink
    So what happens when China wants all its money back? on topic- i think America would win because of some resistance fighters called the wolverines
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    Chicharito 14

    Chicharito 14

    8/12/2012 2:38:12 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Joethepanda [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simse11 China. Deal with it Amerifats.[/quote]People who call America fat just can't think of anything else to insult them with. How's your country doing in the Olympics by the way?[/quote] And you strikes back with Olympic stats. Both of you, just shush.
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    Vgnut

    Vgnut

    8/12/2012 2:35:38 AM Permalink
    The Americans treat any nation security threat to Canada as a national threat to the United States for anyone confused. In this hypothetical war constantly debated for some reason an attempt to invade Canada might as well be an attempt to invade the U.S.
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    MyNameIsCharlie

    MyNameIsCharlie

    8/12/2012 2:32:20 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] B4RK1NG SP1D3R [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Munitions lll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie I am an American, also a former infantryman, and have a degree in American History. I can say that China is the only superpower that worries me. They have an Army that is 14 million strong, and no qualms about throwing lives away. They aren't peasants with AK's and RPG's either. They are a fully modernized force that is only about a decade behind us. While we continually say the sea, and our Navy protect us, a determined assault force can get through, provided they have enough people, and the will to do it. If we were to go to war, I actually see China winning, but not through skill or technology. They win the old fashioned way, by numbers. If they wanted to take us opn, they would likely come through the Bering Straights, which is only 20 or so miles across. A massive missile salvo to keep our ships on the defensive, and then they are in Alaska. They then push South through Canada, and onto our northern borders. If they roll with enough armor, they could move quickly, and without fear of all the NRA members taking potshots with their .30.06's. For fuel they could use our refineries. Each one becomes a divisional gas station. I don't see us blowing those, we would want to recapture them, rather than destroying them. Since our military is stretched thin at the moment, we probably could not stand for long. The toughest US units would be the ones that saw combat most recently in Afghanistan. They would likely see themselves in charge of largish militia units, doing ambushes and the like. Over all, I think we would win, but China is no pushover. We would likely die as a society shortly afterwards.[/quote] Your cute little theory is dumb to say the least. Sure, china has numbers, but as soon as war is declared china wouldn't even be able to get their troops out of their own country. You do know that the US has two F-16 squadrons, an F-15 squadron, and an A-10 squadron in South Korea alone, right? They'd be attacking chinas military bases within the first hour of war. Let's not forget two more F-16 squadrons from Italy and Germany (A-10s also), and F-15s from England, that could all be on the attack within hours. Anyone who thinks china can waltz their enormous army over in cargo jets, without being shot down, is delusional. [/quote] That, and I also don't think Canada would just sit by and let China stroll a massive army through to attack America.[/quote] A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.
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