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My God, It's Full of Stars - The Destiny Map - [EARTH LOCATION]

* [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/ohsnap_destiny_real_world.jpg]Real World Overlay - Puerto Princesa[/url] * [url=http://goo.gl/maps/Mm37H]Google Earth Link[/url] [quote][URL=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=74826412][b]Posted by:[/b] Motarius1 Well hello Shirley....[/url] With a bit of google foo and a lunch break it would appear the map you guys have been working on is a map of Puerto Princesa in the Philippines. See this [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Puertoprincesa_chart4343_1904.jpeg]map[/url] Looks pretty familiar right? Here's the full write up where I grabbed the image from.... [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Princesa[/url] [/quote] [quote][b][u]INTRODUCTION[/u][/b][/quote] It's been a long time since I've posted anything near this big. I'm a little tense and afraid of it due to its sheer immensity, but I'm gonna give it a good go. But first, a quick note about "Destiny". [url=http://www.trademarkia.com/destiny-77784606.html]It's the name of their next game[/url]. Just to clear up any confusion some folk may have about the name of the thread. It hasn't been officially announced by Bungie as of yet, but multiple sources on the Internets would also tell you the same. I'm sure none of you are strangers to the Bnet's fancy background. In all of its dazzling mystique and curious appearance. Are those galaxies? Star-charts? Constellations? Feathers? Bacon? Well, there's a Destiny blog out there that I believe a lot of the Universe-forum regulars may be familiar with; [url=http://misriahsolutions.com/articles/waiting-for-destiny/]Waiting For Destiny[/url]. They've been doing a fantastic job over the past few months. Making fantastic progress at compiling information, providing theories and posing queries. A lot of fantastic work. [quote][B][U]THE STAR CARTOGRAPHER[/U][/B][/QUOTE] What I'm specifically interested in is what the author, Daniel Duncan, has compiled on [url=http://misriahsolutions.com/articles/waiting-for-destiny/3/]Page 3[/url]. [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/continued_cartography.png]A composite image[/url] of the entire set of images that have been found so far. In it you can see a lot of very curious things. Two things, in particular, being two very noticeable and out of place pure white circles. These both seemed rather too odd to be a natural part of the environment that we've been used to. I had initially considered that they might be bowls in the ground, but, and Daniel has drawn the same conclusion, that these tie in with Dead Orbit somehow. My first reasoning for this is that in previous images of these areas of the map, they aren't there at all. This makes me believe they are mobile of some sort. Additionally, looking at the - what we assume to be - [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pax_dead_orbit.jpg?w=584&h=976]Dead Orbit graphic shirt[/url], it seems there's a link between it and the [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/thank_you_card_front.jpg?w=584&h=455]"two random dots"[/url] found on this card. At least, I think there must be. They seem pretty important (well, they're not exactly pretty to look at, and certainly don't fit in with the rest of the image, so it's curious that they exist). You can also see one [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=31904]here[/url]. I really like the composite image he made, but I wasn't convinced with the [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/simple_map.jpg]mini-map color example[/url] he made. So I've decided to analyse the image and make my own, complete with a Key. [quote][b][u]THE MAP OF DESTINY[/u][/b][/quote] [quote][quote]* [u][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_001.jpg][b]Step 1: Initial Underpainting[/b][/url][/u] - COMPLETE [i]Involved isolating the painting strokes from the black background and miscellaneous images in the [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/continued_cartography.png]original composite image[/url], and deciding what sort of ground is located where in the image. Also came to a conclusion about the various graphics found in the map and constructed a key to help you understand the map clearer.[/i] * [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_002.jpg]Step 1.1[/url] - [i]Made some minor edits to the map (mostly the central mountain).[/i] [/quote][quote]* [u][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_003.jpg][b]Step 2: Topography Redux[/b][/url][/u] - COMPLETE [i]Involved repainting the composite image to make the entire image cleaner.[/i][/quote][quote]* [u][b]Step 3: Refined Painting[/b][/u] - In Progress [i]Will essentially involve adding extra layers of light/dark values to the underpainting to provide a sense of lighting. I plan on concentrating on the centre of the image.[/i] [quote][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoh1EitMcI]Step 3.1 [video][/url] - Tested my painting in 3D to see how it looked. Pretty good so far.[/quote][quote][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h5WlmsN8yw]Step 3.2 [video][/url] - Updated the model with a much crisper mountain shape, and volcanoes![/quote][quote][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map.jpg]Step 3.3 [image][/url] - Did some work on water-depths.[/quote][/quote][quote]* [u][b]Step 4: Texturing & Highlights[/b][/u] - Pending [i]Will give the entire image a lot of rugged texture and bring a large degree more of realism to the image (with rocks for the mountains, trees and cityscapes).[/i][/quote][quote]* [u][b]Step 5: Polishing[/b][/u] - Pending [i]By this point, all that will essentially be left will be cleaning up the known areas of the map to make them look really good. Some brightness/contrast shifting, colour correction (if need be) and maybe some wallpapers.[/i][/quote][quote]* [u][b]Step 6: Expansion[/b][/u] - Pending [i]After I complete Step 5, it should really be a case of expanding out further, perhaps with any new map piece findings, or.[/i][/quote][quote]* [u][b]Step 7: Waiting For Destiny[/b][/u] - Pending [i]Waiting to find out whether my vision is correct, or not.[/i][/quote][/quote] [quote][b][u]BONUS - 3D MODEL[/u][/b][/quote][quote]* [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/clean_3d_001.jpg]Clean 3D Model of Map[/url] * [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/overlay_3d_001.jpg]Overlay 3D Model of Map[/url][/quote] [quote][b][u]EXTENSIONS - FINDING MORE PIECES[/u][/b][/quote][quote][quote]* 0.1 [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_original.jpg]Original Topography Composite Image[/url][/quote][quote]* 0.2 [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_resolved.jpg]Resolved position of the upper and lower site nebulas.[/url][/quote][quote]* 0.3 [[url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/Golden/destiny_map_golden_clean_001.jpg]Clean ver.[/url]] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/Golden/destiny_map_golden_001.jpg]ncsuDuncan picked us up on where that extraneous area should actually go. Resolved that. Also cleaned up the image fantastically and made it purdy.[/url][/quote][quote]* 0.4 [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_golden_002.jpg][Overlay][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_golden_clean_002.jpg][Clean][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_happyholidays.jpg][Highlighted][/url][/quote][quote]* 0.4.5 [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_happyholidays_b.jpg][Overlay][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_happyholidays_b_clean.jpg][Clean][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_map_happyholidays_b_highlight.jpg][Highlighted][/url][/quote][quote]* 0.5 [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_oneofseven_01_lowres.jpg][Overlay][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_oneofseven_02_lowres.jpg][Clean][/url] | [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3252482/Destiny/destiny_oneofseven_03_lowres.jpg][Highlighted][/url][/quote][/quote] So there we go. If you have anything to add about the map I've made, if I'm behind on information, or if you have your own version of what you think the map is, then definitely post it here! I've been mulling over this whole map in the back of my mind for months now, and I'm happy to say that I am very confident that I've cracked the topography. There are some elements I'm unsure of, but that's based mostly on the sheer lack of map-elements that are still missing that would help me make a much more coherent image. [quote][b][u]OTHER ARTICLES YOU MAY LIKE[/u][/b][/quote][quote][quote]Cortana 5's [url=http://tinyurl.com/72wuur2]Bungie Formula: Durandal, Cortana, Joyeuse?[/url] thread. Cortana 5's [url=http://tinyurl.com/7ak6to2]Ver 2.0[/url] thread. Cortana 5's [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=56466577]Seven Seraphs, Osiris, New Monarchy, Dead Orbit[/url] thread.[/quote][quote]SonicJohn's [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=62158426]Bungie Servers - Connecting Multiple Platforms Online[/url] thread.* SonicJohn's [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=69922521]Predicting Destiny[/url] thread. (*Ignore the Aerospace perspective.)[/quote][quote]x Foman123 x's [url=http://destinypedia.net/]Destinypedia - External Wiki for all things Destiny[/url][/quote][quote]risay_117's [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=69653685]Destiny Information Shortlist[/url][/quote][quote]ncsuDuncan's [url=http://misriahsolutions.com/articles/waiting-for-destiny/]Waiting For Destiny[/url] blog. ncsuDuncan's [url=http://misriahsolutions.com/2012/01/17/scraps-of-destiny/]Scraps of Destiny[/url] blog.[/quote][/quote] [Edited on 09.17.2012 2:31 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oddley765 I put $5 space bucks on this becoming an easter egg in the game now :)[/quote] What becomes an easter egg exactly? This thread? Motarius1's "Well hello Shirley" post? [Edited on 09.18.2012 6:05 PM PDT]

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  • I put $5 space bucks on this becoming an easter egg in the game now :)

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  • Either way this is still a nice find. Way to go community +100 internets

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jeff McRae [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Unfortunate as it may seem, in light of this development, I think we have to face the possibility that the details and history of the Destiny Map have nothing to do with the eventual, actual game ;-)[/quote] Way to just crap on this whole thing, Foman. These kids are just trying to have some fun, but I guess that's just too much for you, isn't it? I suppose you'd rather them be out on the streets smoking the crack and being with prostitutes? Sickening. Here they are looking to uncover a mystery behind a game they're looking forward to, that's being developed by a developer they admire, and you chime in with your filth just hoping to crush them all. Absolutely sickening. Good work to all. And to Motarius1, I say [b]damn fine[/b] detective work! Your efforts may not be appreciated by Foman, but they are by me! Today I'm proud to be a member of the Bungie community![/quote]Hey! I put a smiley face at the end!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Unfortunate as it may seem, in light of this development, I think we have to face the possibility that the details and history of the Destiny Map have nothing to do with the eventual, actual game ;-)[/quote] Way to just crap on this whole thing, Foman. These kids are just trying to have some fun, but I guess that's just too much for you, isn't it? I suppose you'd rather them be out on the streets smoking the crack and being with prostitutes? Sickening. Here they are looking to uncover a mystery behind a game they're looking forward to, that's being developed by a developer they admire, and you chime in with your filth just hoping to crush them all. Absolutely sickening. Good work to all. And to Motarius1, I say [b]damn fine[/b] detective work! Your efforts may not be appreciated by Foman, but they are by me! Today I'm proud to be a member of the Bungie community!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 Looking at the overlay, it looks almost like the coast line was eroded between the two pictures. Far future maybe?[/quote]Well I think more than likely there's discrepancy between the 1913 sketch of the area, and the actual satellite imagery. Also, I didn't get the overlay stitched on perfectly.

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  • Looking at the overlay, it looks almost like the coast line was eroded between the two pictures. Far future maybe?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 How heck, thats crazy.. but pretty awesome too. Maybe it's another game based in Earth's future again?[/quote] I would think so. It's one of the things that made Halo really relate-able for me. It also provides a familiar starting point to their new universe. We may not live in the Philippines or know much about it, but it's still earth.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARBITOR 5 How heck, thats crazy.. but pretty awesome too. Maybe it's another game based in Earth's future again?[/quote]If Puerto Princesa is actually relevant it seems likely that it will be in the future, given Bungie's insistence on referencing space.

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  • How heck, thats crazy.. but pretty awesome too. Maybe it's another game based in Earth's future again?

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  • Haha; well like I said, it's just one possibility among many others. Didn't want to kill anybody's buzz, but I did want to raise the issue before people start saying things like "confirmed: Bungie's next game takes place in the Philippines." Obviously I agree that Puerto Princesa [i]could[/i] be a major part of the actual game, either in terms of the land's topography making it into a fictional planet or city, or in terms of it being an actual location that figures into the game (like "New" Mombasa in Halo). But at the same time that we get excited about that, let's not forget that concept art is just that -- it is not necessarily bound to be placed in the game. Just flip through (or do a Google search for) concept art for the previous Halo games and look at how much stuff never made it into the games. Unfortunately, knowing next-to-nothing about Destiny, it's really, really hard at this point to even LEAN one way or the other on what we think this really means. All we have are possibilities and speculation based on a few vague pieces of artwork and other documents. Which, I suppose, in a lot of ways, makes it both frustrating and exciting :-D [Edited on 09.18.2012 10:21 AM PDT]

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  • IT looks like Destiny events will happen in the Phillipines or in Space Phillipines!

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  • That's why and how, I hand feed sometimes. Say I was thinking about having a attack trainer variant disscussion... Oops sorry OP. I'll take that elsewhere. Way to counter and keep my point in X.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Unfortunate as it may seem, in light of this development, I think we have to face the possibility that the details and history of the Destiny Map have nothing to do with the eventual, actual game ;-)[/quote] Well thanks, Buzz Killington. Honestly though, I though about this too... but it's more fun to assume it's related.

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  • Consideration says in game add seagulls!!7

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  • Wow, just recently found this thread. Finally, something to chew on. Great work! Now then, I have some reading to do!

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  • Can we say space port? Maybe it's just me, but I don't necessarily think that the artist's possible connection to the Philippines is reason enough to totally discount that this may not have just been source material as opposed to a relevant piece of the pie. Personally, it makes sense to me to have a space port take place near the sea. There's hydrostatic power on hand for the massive power generation needed to run such a port, there's the classical aspect of having trade come in to a sea port, and then there's the practical aspect of the latitude. Either case, it's a brilliant find. This community never fails to amaze me with how much awesome it contains.

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  • Sorry, double post... [Edited on 09.18.2012 4:07 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [/quote]It seems a bit silly to have your fictional land mass (of whatever kind) to be based so exactly and specifically on that of an actual one. A continent on a new planet in the exact shape of Australia. A new found island with the same outline as Hawaii. Or even an alien city with the same layout as NYC. It just hits too close to, well, literally, "home", and breaks a bit of the 4th wall and with that game emergence. Unless of course this is a useless map about nothing, in which case shame on them for clearly hinting it's more than it is. That was stupid.[/quote]I think it all depends on what Earth means to Destiny. If Earth is of any significance to the story/setting/premise, that part of earth might have something to do with it. It is possible that it's just a template for a starmap, but on the other hand, why not just draw something random if its similarity to an actual location isn't supposed to be a clue? Bungie fans expect clues, and finding a meta clue, an easter egg, would just be conusing. Something I believe Bungie are aware of. So I'm going to say the opposite.. :P [i]Before we start looking TOO deep for[/i] contradictions.. [i]it might be good to temper our searches with the possibility that[/i] Earth, and that specific location, might actually have something to do with Destiny. But what would that be? Ideas: In Destiny parts of Earth are recreated somewhere else. Something of significance is located on that peninsula/island. Idk.. You probably have some examples of your own. Do we have anything else to go on?[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo I believe this dramatically increases the chances of pirates being in the game. Maybe there will be a Crimson: Steam Pirates easter egg/cameo/crossover? edit: That place has an underground river. Wasn't there mention of a river and giant spiders in the last Mail sack? edit2: Here we are: [quote]"We have a lot of potential to put spiders on the other side of that river. And I am committed to delivering on that potential." Tyson Green[/quote][/quote]This makes me believe there are other clues buried within the seemingly meaningless--and possibly distracting--questions and answers of the [i]Mailsack[/i]...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x[/quote]Whilst an unfortunate possibility, the flip side is that mehve may have suggested the location to be used in the game. Or perhaps it was already being considered and mehve had a good insight for the location, so used the map as a basis. It may even be that Puerto Princesa acts as a strong basis for the fictional-world in terms of inspiration (visually and story-wise) and this is a hint to what's to come. We know that Bungie's crafting the world themselves using Groknok, so you may even say that this location acts as a template of sorts. It was used, it was cleared, it was slapped onto every piece of subliminal marketing for the game to-date. It has to have some sort of importance or symbolism. I'm confident of that much. This certainly does throw a spanner in the works. Hard to tell. Just another layer of mystery, I suppose. Only way we'd know for sure is if we were to ask her of her intentions with the map; doubtful she'd answer non-vaguely, though.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [/quote]It seems a bit silly to have your fictional land mass (of whatever kind) to be based so exactly and specifically on that of an actual one. A continent on a new planet in the exact shape of Australia. A new found island with the same outline as Hawaii. Or even an alien city with the same layout as NYC. It just hits too close to, well, literally, "home", and breaks a bit of the 4th wall and with that game emergence. Unless of course this is a useless map about nothing, in which case shame on them for clearly hinting it's more than it is. That was stupid.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [/quote] Why did I just read that? The magic is gone now, way to kill it foman! Damn I knew I should have ignored your post but I just couldn't do it. Well I guess we still don't really know how relevant that map is with the game. I guess we can still dream. At least now I don't feel like I need to study Puerto Princesa.

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  • Wow.. this is.. very impressive. I never would have thought to piece all those fragments together, let alone believe they meant something. I'd imagine Puerta Princesca is for the concept art of the game though. It'd be very odd for "See you Starside" to really mean "see you in the Philippines". Much like Halo was basically inspired by Earth landmarks, these islands most likely inspire Destiny.

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  • wow - what a find, poses so many more questions though.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] talon2000 How did you find this?![/quote] I started with the barely legible "Puerto Drin" tag and when that search returned nothing, I started to take out letters that were more obscured. I tried a number of permutations and eventually struck gold. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 I have the feeling that that map is probably in physical form in Port Princesa somewhere, an exact replica of the digital one barring the sticker and other pieces of evidence of replication. It was a replication not a new edition. I'm sure it was done exactly as originally so.[/quote] Yep, looks like there are 3 versions readily available from the [url=http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/search_attributes]NOAA archives[/url] One in 1904, 1920 and 1951. All of them are available for free high res download, search map 4343. None of them seem to match exactly with Bungie's version. That is probably just due to some creative photoshopping but there may also be another version out there that's hiding. (joking)Map 4342 is a map of Halsey Bay...looks like the doctor is up to her old tricks again....

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  • ... *claps*

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