[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] paulster5315 They're only harmful in the right circumstances. Like, say, HD videos played on a 50 inch 1080p TV. DON'T EVER DO IT. I saw things I never knew existed.[/quote] I'm a firm believer that there are some things you just do not want to see in HD.

They're only harmful in the right circumstances. Like, say, HD videos played on a 50 inch 1080p TV. DON'T EVER DO IT. I saw things I never knew existed.

May I say that, although our opinions differ, I respect you for being mature during a debate. [quote] I state at the start of my OP that I am only looking at the issues that it causes when men look at it although women can be applied. That is what I have done. [/quote] Okay fair enough, but surely you agree that the issue is reversable, and just as valid when reversed? [quote] I can get you statistics (I think) but it will take a while, if you are interested in hearing about it, PM me some time so I don't forget. Plus, I don't mean about how much they get payed, I am talking about women actually being forced into it and actually not being able to get out. [/quote] Here is the article I found the statistics in; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor#Pay_rates I hope you have the sense not to refute it simply because it is wikipedia, this article is well referenced. It is actually very hard to find anything on this subject that is not from the point of religious fundementalists or conservative nuts like Fox, comdemning p0rn just because it's p0rn. However, this find was interesting; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_workers%27_rights#Forced_prostitution People in the secks industry have had their rights campaigned successfuly and are now not discriminated against, noteably in the section "The Declaration of the Rights of Secks Workers in Europe (2005)". Again it's not the issue at hand, but extremely related. [quote] That is a good point, but the other people watching, do not know them, they see the image and as such objectify them. [/quote] And the people who filmed it and put it up on the internet are well aware of this. In fact most people watch ameature (including myself) because it is genuine, and I can tell the people in it enjoy it. But this is not what I am limited to, of course I enjoy some more depraved things, but I know they are unrealistic for a real-life desire, and so, should I imagine, would anyone with half as much common sense as I. Another thing is this; if, as you argue, it is wrong to objectify women, shouldn't it therefore be immoral to compliment them on your looks? Hence, phrases like "your hair looks nice today" or " you look attractive" would become taboo. [quote] Wow, long read, but objectification, is wrong because you are looking only at their looks, you don't see the person, you are having sex with them only because of how they appear. This is the kind of mentality p0rn promotes. [/quote] Again, does a woman (or anyone!) not love, nay, crave being complimented on their looks? This is my opinion, but the body and mind are two completely seperate things, you must agree. Every person has the right to do what they please with their body, many of which I don't agree with, but it is their freedom and I will allow it. Analogy; would you judge a scientist first by his work, or his personality? Obviously it would be the first one, his work. And is this wrong or right? Well neither, really, but it certainly is acceptable. Can the same not apply to a p0rn actor/actress? Of course it can! Now, just because this man is a scientist, would people expect him to invent reliable jetpacks, or time travel? Of course not, his field is probably observing bacteria, or studying tectonic trends. However, with fictional sceintists, the impossible can be expected; Gordon Freeman, Dr. Frankenstein, even Doc Brown are all examples. Now the same applies to (as one lad afew posts back put it) "Hollywood p0rn" - the scenarioes, sets, people, are all deliberately fictional or extreme because of the same reason - fantasy. Essentially, people who argue p0rn is wrong are the same people (or mindset of people) who argued that DnD was wrong back in the 70's because it was "satanic". [quote] But having intercourse should not only be about looks, do you not agree that it is shallow? Just because our society accepts that it is legitimate does not mean that it is to be encouraged through p0rn and the like. [/quote] Of course it is shallow! Infact I think in my previos comment I voiced my distaste for casual secks. However you are implying that p0rn and secks are the same thing. That's like saying Call of Duty and the real fighting in the middle East or in WW2 are the same thing. And before anyone mentions it, no, vidoegames do not promote violence in [b] psychiologically healthy [/b] individuals. [quote] That last block was rather long and it was hard to keep track at some points, but is all good :) [/quote] Cheers for understanding, I tend to write in one long, articulated vomit of information and then ammend it later. [quote] Sure, but our culture changes with the time period as well, just perhaps not as quickly. [/quote] I agree but both have significant effects on people. [quote] Please explain why, to the woman (or man) who's parter wont stop watching p0rn is all that different to one who is having an affair with some one they barely know. [/quote] Cheating is a real, physical act of betrayal. It can cause the spread of (deadly) STDs/STI's including AIDs. In many places it is also illegal (even if in the same place polygamy is accepted). It is especially detremantal to families, if one partner cheats (which brings up the point that it is unjust that a woman gains custordy of children something like 80% of the time in divorce court cases, regardless of who is the guilty party). Also the person who cheats will then become undesireable by future potential partners for being unfaithful, and the "victim" (I am unsure of what term to use here) will become undesireable because they may be seen as an unworthy partner, if it was their fault the cheating occured (by driving away their partner with abuse, lack of intimacy, drug addiction, etc). Cheating is a percieved act of betrayal. There is no physical cheating occuring with p0rn, other than the false perception in the other half's mind. p0rn does not cause any negative health effects (on a psychologically healthy indiviual). Neither would cause any family problems within a family if it were accepted, because even if the other partner is aware, it can be easily hidden from children who are too young to see that sort of thing (eg about 13 or below). With p0rn there is realistically no victim, unless one half is, as I said before, unstable. [quote] (thanks for your long reply, it posed some interesting points) [/quote] No worries, I think the Flood needs some (fairly) intelligent and mature debate. [Edited on 02.10.2011 12:49 PM PST]

am I the only person 16 or older here to have never watched p0rn once in his life?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the BUTT Am i the only floodian over the age of 15 that has never watched p0rn?[/quote]You might be one of the few people (not just floodian) who has never seen any kind of p0rn, seeing as how "70% of men between the ages of 18-24 visit -blam!- sites in a typical month". [url=http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2010/06/internet--blam!--stats-should-parents-be-concerned.html]Source[/url].

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera I totally agree that these situations exist. I, however, feel it's the fault of insecurities as opposed to the activity.[/quote] I can honestly see it either way in this case. It is an issue born of insecurity, but I do understand why being with someone who spends more time pleasuring themselves to pr0n then being with their SO could cause a problem. Like I said, I understand it either way. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES Yes, but it is true in [b]some[/b] cases as well. It is food for thought. There are cases of peoples relationships breaking up because of p0rn [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] Some cases yes, but that is not what you have been saying for 6 pages now. You have been painting adult entertainment as the downfall of families are relationships on a large scale, and that is not only entirely unproven, but utter crap. There are a variety of reasons such things happen, pr0n is simply one [b]possibility[/b].

And yet, life goes on. Pr0n continues to be watched and people survive...

[quote]Or maybe just they wish their girl was like the ones they have been watching.[/quote] I guarantee that anyone that wants their girl to be like the brainless, 80% silicon and botox sluts seen in p0rn, are just in the relationship for physical reasons. It therefore doesn't matter if that relationship ends. [quote]Because they grow tired of their wife/girlfriend, look at the guy near the top of this thread, he says he watches p0rn to keep his relationship fresh.[/quote] Surely that's an example of p0rnography extending the life of a relationship. [quote]The two normally come hand in hand.[/quote] Yes, that's right, well done. My point was that p0rnography isn't an addiction. It's connected to fapping by a rational decision. [quote]I was trying to get across a point, but I understand what you are saying.[/quote] Fair enough. I won't argue over opinions. [quote]But most of them are around men being sex obsessed as well.[/quote] Or about men being stupid, useless, weak, only useful for sex, incapable without womens support etc.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 This thread is opinionated and pointless, and without evidence.[/quote]Yes, but it is true in some cases as well. It is food for thought. There are cases of peoples relationships breaking up because of p0rn, don't believe me, give it a google (I am sure you will find something). I an warning the flood that these things can happen. PS- anyone know why my response to the last post has messed up the [quote] things? because I have checked it more than three times and I can see nothing wrong with it. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] If a person breaks up with a person, it is not the fault of the -blam!-. It is the fault fo the person. They made the decision, and how they choose to let outside stimuli change them is entirely up to them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TARDISdude TL;DR[/quote] Well I read the whole thing

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TARDISdude TL;DR[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TARDISdude TL;DR[/quote]

Am i the only floodian over the age of 15 that has never watched p0rn?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Procon300 I'm pretty sure this is caused by any combination of stupidity, ignorance, immaturity and poor -blam!- education.[/quote]Or maybe just they wish their girl was like the ones they have been watching. [quote]I completely agree with this. I don't why anybody would be looking at -blam!- while in a relationship.[/quote]Because they grow tired of their wife/girlfriend, look at the guy near the top of this thread, he says he watches p0rn to keep his relationship fresh. [quote]I've never heard anyone refer to -blam!- as anything but a fapping aide.[/quote] The two normally come hand in hand. [quote]This is a very specific example that comes down to the dynamics of a relationship. Not what I would consider a valid point.[/quote]I was trying to get across a point, but I understand what you are saying. [quote]They exist because both genders generally feel superior to the other. Women have equivalent jokes.[/quote] But most of them are around men being sex obsessed as well. [quote]I seriously doubt this.[/quote] Doubt all you like, I have seen a marriage break up over it and several relationships. That is what I consider to be too much. [i]- JFKES[/i]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 This thread is opinionated and pointless, and without evidence.[/quote]Yes, but it is true in some cases as well. It is food for thought. There are cases of peoples relationships breaking up because of p0rn, don't believe me, give it a google (I am sure you will find something). I an warning the flood that these things can happen. PS- anyone know why my response to the last post has messed up the [quote] things? because I have checked it more than three times and I can see nothing wrong with it. [i]- JFKES[/i]

[quote]it boosts expectations beyond what can be equaled.[/quote] I'm pretty sure this is caused by any combination of stupidity, ignorance, immaturity and poor -blam!- education. [quote]you're wife/girlfriend wont want you to look at other people having sex.[/quote] I completely agree with this. I don't why anybody would be looking at -blam!- while in a relationship. [quote]that many people are addicted (or so they claim) to watching p0rn and -blam!-ion.[/quote] I've never heard anyone refer to -blam!- as anything but a fapping aide. [quote]Men sometimes asks their parters for a threesome with another woman, but are opposed to their partner asking for a threesome with another man involved.[/quote] This is a very specific example that comes down to the dynamics of a relationship. Not what I would consider a valid point. [quote]If those jokes about the perfect woman being some one who only makes sandwiches and being naked weren't based in anything, they wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find them funny.[/quote] They exist because both genders generally feel superior to the other. Women have equivalent jokes. [quote]I have seen [b]too many[/b] relationships and marriages break up because of this.[/quote] I seriously doubt this.

Yes, but you're painting pr0n as the cause of peoples' relationships breaking up, when really it's their own mental issues, be it the person who can't stop OR the person who wants them to.

This thread is opinionated and pointless, and without evidence.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera I totally agree that these situations exist. I, however, feel it's the fault of insecurities as opposed to the activity.[/quote]Although I disagree, I do not need to argue this. Surely even if your parter has insecurities about it, it doesn't change the outcome that it could still break up the relationship, and that is something people need to think about. [i]- JFKES[/i]

I totally agree that these situations exist. I, however, feel it's the fault of insecurities as opposed to the activity.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera Dude, pretty much anyone can see the difference in the magnitude of betrayal involved in cheating vs watching pr0n.[/quote] There are some women that associate the two closely though, and in such cases I think that is when pr0n is an issue. Not in the frequency that the OP is implying though.

Dude, pretty much anyone can see the difference in the magnitude of betrayal involved in cheating vs watching pr0n.

Lets do this :P [quote]It is sexist because your OP implies that only women can suffer negative effects from -blam!-. The closest thing you suggested as a negative effect for men would be a terminated relationship, which affects both men and women equally, Much like this entire issue.[/quote] I state at the start of my OP that I am only looking at the issues that it causes when men look at it although women can be applied. That is what I have done. [quote]Neither of us have shown any definite proof to confirm our opinions on this yet. From Wikipedia, this is quite interesting; "Most male performers in straight -blam!- are paid less than their female costars. Ron Jeremy has commented on the pay scale of women and men of the sex film industry: "The average guy gets $300 to $400 a scene, or $100 to $200 if he's new. A woman makes $100,000 to $250,000 at the end of the year.[9] "Girls can easily make 100K-250K per year, plus stuff on the side like strip shows and appearances. The average guy makes $40,000 a year." I know the top wage mentioned here is not astounding, but for a fairly unskilled profession it is a lot. A P0rn actor/actress with no qualifications can live fairly comfortably on this. So if anything, if we look at payment, men are more likely than women to "get trapped" by this profession if they were forced into it - Women would be more likely to "escape" (I would prefer the term "quit") and take on whatever career it is they would move on to next that they would prefer.[/quote] I can get you statistics (I think) but it will take a while, if you are interested in hearing about it, PM me some time so I don't forget. Plus, I don't mean about how much they get payed, I am talking about women actually being forced into it and actually not being able to get out. [quote]For some people, yes. Say, for example, you are in an extremely long term relationship, across continents, and you get to see eachother barely once or twice per year. A film of the two of you together could prove beneficial and help some relationships. Now, some people get HUGE kinks out of other people watching them do the deed - that is why there are such genres as public secks, outdoor secks, etc etc. If the both of you got a kink out of this, why not put it up for people to see?[/quote] That is a good point, but the other people watching, do not know them, they see the image and as such objectify them. [quote]I came up with this idea myself, no one told it to me. If anything you have been indoctrinated by the internet says that you can watch p0rn with no recessionals, which quite clearly isn't true. Plus what you said about people watch it for enjoyment not to objectify women, I would say that you don't smoke in order to die from it, it is a result that you have little to no control over. [/quote] We're comparing a form of media that is considered dirty to a past-time that can give you cancer. I understand your analogy but you could have used something more simmilar. Actually, search "Bugchasing" on wikipedia (Not on google for crying out loud!). This is proof that some people do things specifically for the negative effects. (I know it's not the issue at hand but it is related). The recessionals you speak of by all means exist in a minute form - Only people with extremely low (social) intelligence could possibly believe the extremes of prawnography to be acceptable, or even desireable.[/quote]I know what bug catching is. Many people do believe that the extremes of p0rn are both acceptable, and desirable. [quote]First of all, I'd like to thank you for agreeing that men are objectified as well as women. Okay. Let's define the term "objetification" (or objectifying or what have you) http://www.wordreference.com/definition ; objectification ; verb (objectifies, objectifying, objectified) * 1 express in a concrete form. * 2 degrade to the status of a mere object: a sexist attitude that objectifies women. "A secksist attitude that objectifies [b] women [/b]". WELL BLEEDIN' WELL, it looks like this little definition is in itself seckist, because it implies only WOMEN can be objectified. Ever seen a group of those moronic, pop-culture obsessed teen girls discuss, for hours on inane hours, how much they LOVE Justin Bieber, or how HAWT Edward whats-his-name from the Twilight novels is? Firstly, if objectification is a bad thing, women are just as guilty of it as men. Secondly, WHO THE BUGGERY SAID IT WAS A BAD THING IN THE FIRST PLACE? Why is it so bad to judge people on their looks? We may as well, as looks are an important part of any relationship. Not THE most important, but almost always an initial factor. 90% of people, I assume, base their first impression of people on looks alone, then mannerisms, and then a whole load of other things (Accent, hygeine, friends, money, anything). Looks are important. For example, uniform (in army, police, whatever) is mandatory. Looks, including clothing fashion, hair, makeup, and particularly tattoos can imply a lot about a person. Note I said imply. I don't see why judging women on their looks (AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS) Is so frowned upon when they seemingly do everything to ajust their looks to a way that satisfies them (Or, a way that imitates their favourite celebrity, fashion, or culture). Lets face it, a large number of men don't care about makeup, hair, fashion or accessories when they want a relationship, because all these factors are lies, a facade that women (and men too) hide behind. The vast majority of people want a natural looking, naturally healthy partner, with a personality that suits the suitor. (I find it wrong that anyone should be forced to change any non-dangerous, non-illegal factors of their personality or lifestyle). The point is, there is a balance between biology and cultural perception in attraction of the opposite secks, and it should be pretty even but it is probably more 65% biology - 35% cultural perception.[/quote] Wow, long read, but objectification, is wrong because you are looking only at their looks, you don't see the person, you are having sex with them only because of how they appear. This is the kind of mentality p0rn promotes. [quote]Wanting to have intercourse with someone abstract based on looks is nothing to be ashamed of (eg "I would) - but acting this out is uncouth in a way, but acceptable in modern society. And I do not agree with this - It spreads STDs and causes a general smuttiness amongst the otherwise normal people who practice it (It being casual secks).[/quote] But having intercourse should not only be about looks, do you not agree that it is shallow? Just because our society accepts that it is legitimate does not mean that it is to be encouraged through p0rn and the like. [quote]My argument has probably kind of trailed off in to a rant by this point.[/quote] That last block was rather long and it was hard to keep track at some points, but is all good :) [quote]Now, to the feller that said in some African cultures, being overweight is attractive, you are correct. BUT DID YOU KNOW, in most Western cultures, as little ago as just 100 or so years, being overweight was attractive to them, too? It implied wealth and a healthy diet. In this modern time western cultures do not find being overweight attractive because it implies the exact opposite. In the West now, an overweight person is more likely to be lower class and unhealthy, because the cheaper foods avaliable are the most unhealthy, fattening ones. What is attractive changes with the time period, not just culture.[/quote] Sure, but our culture changes with the time period as well, just perhaps not as quickly. [quote]Also watching p0rnography and actively cheating on your other half are so extremely different I can't even begin to describe. A partner who sees watching p0rn as being unfaithful is a confused and self centered individual who obviously has identity and image issues and is willing to take it out on the other by [b]BANNING[/b] a hobby completely from them. This makes them extremely undesireable.[/quote] Please explain why, to the woman (or man) who's parter wont stop watching p0rn is all that different to one who is having an affair with some one they barely know. (thanks for your long reply, it posed some interesting points) [i]- JFKES[/i] [Edited on 02.10.2011 11:48 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superfonz666 [b]WHY LOOK AT THE TIME, IT'S DEBATE O' CLOCK [/b] [quote]It is not sexist in the slightest, I said I was aiming this towards men. Of course there is objectification of men as well, how does that make it any better? To use an old saying, two wrongs don't make a right. [/quote] It is sexist because your OP implies that only women can suffer negative effects from -blam!-. The closest thing you suggested as a negative effect for men would be a terminated relationship, which affects both men and women equally, Much like this entire issue. [quote]Actually quite a lot of the p0rn industry involves people who are forced into it. Plus I am saying that the objectification of the women you watch often means you will objectify your partners. That is where the problems arise. [/quote] Neither of us have shown any definite proof to confirm our opinions on this yet. From Wikipedia, this is quite interesting; "Most male performers in straight -blam!- are paid less than their female costars. Ron Jeremy has commented on the pay scale of women and men of the sex film industry: "The average guy gets $300 to $400 a scene, or $100 to $200 if he's new. A woman makes $100,000 to $250,000 at the end of the year.[9] "Girls can easily make 100K-250K per year, plus stuff on the side like strip shows and appearances. The average guy makes $40,000 a year." I know the top wage mentioned here is not astounding, but for a fairly unskilled profession it is a lot. A P0rn actor/actress with no qualifications can live fairly comfortably on this. So if anything, if we look at payment, men are more likely than women to "get trapped" by this profession if they were forced into it - Women would be more likely to "escape" (I would prefer the term "quit") and take on whatever career it is they would move on to next that they would prefer. [quote] Because filming yourself doing him makes it more enjoyable doesn't it? They do it for money. [/quote] For some people, yes. Say, for example, you are in an extremely long term relationship, across continents, and you get to see eachother barely once or twice per year. A film of the two of you together could prove beneficial and help some relationships. Now, some people get HUGE kinks out of other people watching them do the deed - that is why there are such genres as public secks, outdoor secks, etc etc. If the both of you got a kink out of this, why not put it up for people to see? [quote]I came up with this idea myself, no one told it to me. If anything you have been indoctrinated by the internet says that you can watch p0rn with no recessionals, which quite clearly isn't true. Plus what you said about people watch it for enjoyment not to objectify women, I would say that you don't smoke in order to die from it, it is a result that you have little to no control over. [/quote] We're comparing a form of media that is considered dirty to a past-time that can give you cancer. I understand your analogy but you could have used something more simmilar. Actually, search "Bugchasing" on wikipedia (Not on google for crying out loud!). This is proof that some people do things specifically for the negative effects. (I know it's not the issue at hand but it is related). The recessionals you speak of by all means exist in a minute form - Only people with extremely low (social) intelligence could possibly believe the extremes of prawnography to be acceptable, or even desireable. [quote] Of course I have a sex drive. But the whole "I would" is a sign that our society is objectifying women (and men). If it was a simple basic instinct, then we would naturally want to breed with the most healthy women, which isn't the case. It is because of things like p0rn that we look for women to be perfect, and we think that we can think about having sex with them if we want to. You see yes it is the sex drive, but it has been changed thanks to thinks like p0rn. [/quote] First of all, I'd like to thank you for agreeing that men are objectified as well as women. Okay. Let's define the term "objetification" (or objectifying or what have you) http://www.wordreference.com/definition ; objectification ; verb (objectifies, objectifying, objectified) * 1 express in a concrete form. * 2 degrade to the status of a mere object: a sexist attitude that objectifies women. "A secksist attitude that objectifies [b] women [/b]". WELL BLEEDIN' WELL, it looks like this little definition is in itself seckist, because it implies only WOMEN can be objectified. Ever seen a group of those moronic, pop-culture obsessed teen girls discuss, for hours on inane hours, how much they LOVE Justin Bieber, or how HAWT Edward whats-his-name from the Twilight novels is? Firstly, if objectification is a bad thing, women are just as guilty of it as men. Secondly, WHO THE BUGGERY SAID IT WAS A BAD THING IN THE FIRST PLACE? Why is it so bad to judge people on their looks? We may as well, as looks are an important part of any relationship. Not THE most important, but almost always an initial factor. 90% of people, I assume, base their first impression of people on looks alone, then mannerisms, and then a whole load of other things (Accent, hygeine, friends, money, anything). Looks are important. For example, uniform (in army, police, whatever) is mandatory. Looks, including clothing fashion, hair, makeup, and particularly tattoos can imply a lot about a person. Note I said imply. I don't see why judging women on their looks (AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS) Is so frowned upon when they seemingly do everything to ajust their looks to a way that satisfies them (Or, a way that imitates their favourite celebrity, fashion, or culture). Lets face it, a large number of men don't care about makeup, hair, fashion or accessories when they want a relationship, because all these factors are lies, a facade that women (and men too) hide behind. The vast majority of people want a natural looking, naturally healthy partner, with a personality that suits the suitor. (I find it wrong that anyone should be forced to change any non-dangerous, non-illegal factors of their personality or lifestyle). The point is, there is a balance between biology and cultural perception in attraction of the opposite secks, and it should be pretty even but it is probably more 65% biology - 35% cultural perception. Wanting to have intercourse with someone abstract based on looks is nothing to be ashamed of (eg "I would) - but acting this out is uncouth in a way, but acceptable in modern society. And I do not agree with this - It spreads STDs and causes a general smuttiness amongst the otherwise normal people who practice it (It being casual secks). My argument has probably kind of trailed off in to a rant by this point. Now, to the feller that said in some African cultures, being overweight is attractive, you are correct. BUT DID YOU KNOW, in most Western cultures, as little ago as just 100 or so years, being overweight was attractive to them, too? It implied wealth and a healthy diet. In this modern time western cultures do not find being overweight attractive because it implies the exact opposite. In the West now, an overweight person is more likely to be lower class and unhealthy, because the cheaper foods avaliable are the most unhealthy, fattening ones. What is attractive changes with the time period, not just culture. Also watching p0rnography and actively cheating on your other half are so extremely different I can't even begin to describe. A partner who sees watching p0rn as being unfaithful is a confused and self centered individual who obviously has identity and image issues and is willing to take it out on the other by [b]BANNING[/b] a hobby completely from them. This makes them extremely undesireable. [/quote] wow that's a big responce. I'v never watched p0rn once in my life so I wouldn't know

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sergeant Kyuun So, if I'm used to women asking me to do whatever they want me to do so they'll be pleased, what does that make me?[/quote] Hopeless, according to OP. Part of my generation, if ya ask me haha

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera I'd also like to point out that a very large portion of internet pr0n is amatuer, with very realistic looking girls, and in many cases, completely legitimate sex between couples. I'm not sure how that could be misleading.[/quote] This. But honestly, OP is assuming our female partners are going to be non-attractive. Every girl I've been with was honestly more attractive then anyone I've fapped to.