[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote] Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor, they can see in dark very damn well, have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded. Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor. With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters, run up to [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_augmentation_procedures]40KPH easily, withstand falls from orbit and be alive, gel embedded in the armor for cushion and supreme reflexes (300% faster than any Marine), it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] Here go, Wyld.[/quote] Somebody already responded to that. See? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor,[/quote] And? [quote] they can see in dark very damn well, [/quote] Kas, from Prospero Burns, only saw blackness with his normal eye, but saw everything in a green hue. So, Space Marines can do so as well. [quote] have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. [/quote] And Adeptus Astartes don't? [quote] Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded.[/quote] Except a Space Marine is very fast, agile, impressive, and intelligent. I would laugh if you suggested that a Spartan looked any better than Space Marine. [quote] Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. [/quote] Prove it. And even if you can, you still have the problem of the fact that Space Marie conventional weapons (read, conventional) can gut a Spartan in second. Also, plasma swords are not standard. [quote] More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor.[/quote] Oooh no, how scary- Do learn what you're talking about. That same titanium-alloy (ALLOY, not ALLY, Jesus) is damaged by low kilojoule Covenant plasma weapons. Adeptus Astartes power armor, on the other hand, can tank Tau single plasma rifle shots without much damage, which are capable of vaporizing a human torso. Giving it 50 megajoules of energy, I get a yield powerful enough to melt 44 kilograms of titanium. [quote] With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters [/quote] Impressive, but inferior. [quote]With a cry that rose from my stomach, I leapt into the air, reaching out with one hand above my head. I felt my fingers clasp the top lip of the stone, and I pulled, yanking my body up the rock face and flipping my legs over my head in a smooth arc. The ruddy, red light burst all around me as I cleared the rock-line and landed on top of the sandstone pavement. Instantly, my eyes scanned the sky and identified the distant, descending form of the gunship. Keeping my gaze fixed on the vessel, I started to run again, jumping and springing automatically over the wide cracks and crevices in the sloping ground. I made that jump like it was nothing. The thought tumbled about my head as I ran, distracting me and jabbing me with its significance. That rock was more than twice my height. My skin still tingled with an unrealised power. I could have gone higher. [/quote] Space Marines are normally 2.5 meters tall, so he jumped 5 meters, and he could have jumped higher. [quote] 40KPH easily,[/quote] Again, nothing special. [quote]Pausing, I looked back over my shoulder at the diminishing image of the cliff-face behind me, with the storm wall rolling towards it. By my own calculations, I had walked about fifteen kilometres in twenty minutes, through a frozen desert in arctic temperatures, and yet I was not even breathing hard. [/quote] He was going at 45 km/h, and that was mere walking pace for him. [quote] withstand falls from orbit and be alive,[/quote] Again. [quote]A narrow channel had been blown through the sand; it started in a crater about two hundred metres away and ended at my feet. From the look of it, it had been made by the impact and slide of a fast-moving, solid body. Perhaps it was the impact scar of a meteor. Or perhaps the signature of my own arrival on this planet?[/quote] [quote] gel embedded in the armor for cushion, [/quote] Once again... [quote]The only vital part of a Space Marine not protected by his black carapace was his head. Hearts, lungs, stomach, chest, all were impervious to any unarmed blow from even the strongest assailant.[/quote] They also have drugs in their armor to help them in combat. [quote] it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] See my earlier quote. And Space Marines have much more durable bones, too. Some extra stuff; in Horus Rising, lightning bolts with the strength of penetrator rounds (anti tank weapons) hit Space Marines and this gets a laugh out of them. In Angels of Darkness, armored Space Marines are stated of being able of punching through tank armor. Space Wolf has Wolf Lord Ragnar open the sealed hatch tank of a Predator tank. Warriors of Ultramar has Learchus pick up a truck, walk with it, and place it elsewhere. There are more examples out there. [quote] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] It's quite the other way around actually. The Space Marine is superior in every way to even a Spartan containing the best strengths of the strongest Spartans in the UNSC. Fail.[/quote][/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee What the f**k do the Space Marines believe in? Why do they look so much like pissed Christians from the future? Just please someone tell me why!?!?[/quote] The God-Emporor of mankind, gifted by the warp to become the most powerful human to ever exist, thus ascending to godhood. From the Astronomicon, His light is a shining beacon that lights the way of mankind, sears though the darkness, and carries humanity ever forward. His word is truth, his knowledge infinate and his power undeniable. Unfortunately, his life was to become one of a cripple, His golden throne a peak of technologies past, denying the ever grasping claws of death. Due to his misplaced trust in Horus who became a puppet and leader to the Chaos Gods, His duty and will is to rule over mankind, as it's greatest ever leader and savior.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee What the f**k do the Space Marines believe in? Why do they look so much like pissed Christians from the future? Just please someone tell me why!?!?[/quote] They believe in defending humanity. Also their Emperor. They, unlike the Covenant, are not mentally retarded zealots. Really, they believe in the Forerunner religious nonsense they spout?[/quote] Actually, they have a more believable, reasonable type of hierarchic than the SM's. They, unlike the W40K people's, are not retarded, stupified and arrogant fools. Had to seeing as you did. A Spartan is fully-well capable of downing SM's. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:49 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Yes Forerunner ground forces were capable of the same things.....[/quote] I want quotes, right now.

Oh and uh, which race are extinct eh? (haloverse time) Ahem, forerunners, - couldn't have been that good.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee What the f**k do the Space Marines believe in? Why do they look so much like pissed Christians from the future? Just please someone tell me why!?!?[/quote] They believe in defending humanity. Also their Emperor. They, unlike the Covenant, are not mentally retarded zealots. Really, they believe in the Forerunner religious nonsense they spout?[/quote] The Forerunners didn't spout non sense the Prophets did. The Forerunners believed in the Mantle and protecting all life. When Humanity tried to challenge the Forerunners they were DE EVOLVED back into apes.....only a select few were allowed remain as what we could call humans...that is why you don't f**k with the Forerunners....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Here go, Wyld.[/quote] You gonna respond to my response yet?

Warhammer 40K is way too overpowered when compared to most other series. I'd say the Space Marine.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee What the f**k do the Space Marines believe in? Why do they look so much like pissed Christians from the future? Just please someone tell me why!?!?[/quote] They believe in defending humanity. Also their Emperor. They, unlike the Covenant, are not mentally retarded zealots. Really, they believe in the Forerunner religious nonsense they spout?

[quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee You assume that a SPARTAN who has been trained since childhood would be dumb enough to attack an opponent that is much stronger than him.....SPARTANS are masters of guerrilla warfare. The Space Marine would never see the Spartan. Also Space Marines look so f**king retarded..... [/quote] Just curious but when these threads come up do you even bother to find out anything about the other side before declaring whatever Halo is involved will win? A Spartan is going to hide from someone that can see in the dark like it's daytime, has vastly improved hearing, and can track things based on taste. Here's something to think about: "Just as their bodies receive 19 separate implants, so their minds are altered to release the latent powers within. These mental powers are, if anything, more extraordinary than even the physical powers described above. For example, a Marine can control his senses and nervous system to a remarkable degree, and can consequently endure pain that would kill an ordinary man. A Marine can also think and react at lightning speeds. Memory training is an important part of the indoctrination too. Some Marines develop photographic memories. Obviously, Marines vary in intelligence as do other men, and their individual mental abilities vary in degree. After all of these implantations and alterations to the human body, there is a serious debate whether or not Space Marines are human. While they indubitably serve humanity, they are at least two meters tall, can breathe poison and eat through metal." [url=http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine]Source[/url]. I don't see how anyone that actually knows about both could pick a Spartan II.[/quote] Welcome to SPARTAN II training, pal; enjoy your deathly stay. No, seriously, the Spartan matches them in every way: they have an air purifier built-in to their armor, they can see in dark very damn well, have ninja-like (no pun intended) reflexes and lighting speeds. Plus, they're smaller, more agile and can operate any damn thing throw at them. I'm sorry to say this, but an SM looks like a human tank of metal and nothing more: slow, bulky, lame and very retarded. Spartan-II with an energy sword; fight over. More than an average are above seven feet tall encased in [i]Titanium-ally[/i] armor. With that and the given examples above, they can jump an easy two or three meters, run up to [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_augmentation_procedures]40KPH easily, withstand falls from orbit and be alive, gel embedded in the armor for cushion and supreme reflexes (300% faster than any Marine), it's a very good fight. Also, their bones are titanium based, giving their muscles more to use plus being surgically strengthened with the drugs.[/url] This is one helluva fight. I wouldn't fear the tank: [i]I'd fear what I could do to him.[/i] [/quote] Here go, Wyld.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I'd said you're a troll due to the fact of [i]trying[/i] to shoot all of my comments down...[/quote] That's because they're wrong : [quote] and [i]board[/i], really? This is a [i]forum[/i], not board. I can't find what I'd wanted. [/quote] ... Does it really matter how I say it? [quote] Yes, Frauku, Cryptum.[/quote] What does Cryptum say? From Nemesis [quote]Every weapon in the warship's arsenal was prepared and oriented down at the surface - torpedo arrays filled with warshots that could atomise whole continents, energy cannons capable of boiling off oceans, kinetic killers that could behead mountains through the brute force of their impacts.[/quote] [quote]A bombardment had begun, and the people of Dagonet's capital feared it was the end of the world. They knew so little of the reality of things. High above in orbit, it was only the warship Thanato that fired on the city, and even then it was not with the vessel's most powerful cannons. The people did not know that a fleet of craft were poised in silence around their sister ship, watchful and waiting. Had all the vessels of the Warmaster's flotilla unleashed their killpower, then indeed those fears would have come true; the planet's crust cracked, the continents sliced open. Perhaps those things would happen, soon enough - but for now it was sufficient for the Thanato to hurl inert kinetic kill-rods down through the atmosphere, the sky-splitting shriek of their passage climaxed by a lowing thunder as the warshots obliterated power stations, military compounds and the vast mansion-houses of the noble clans. From the ground it seemed like wanton destruction; from orbit, it was a shrewd and surgical pattern of attack.[/quote][/quote] Yes Forerunner ground forces were capable of the same things.....

space marine, and if it was an assault terminator it wouldnt even be a contest

What the f**k do the Space Marines believe in? Why do they look so much like pissed Christians from the future? Just please someone tell me why!?!?

*and millions of forgeworlds that could keep pumping out -blam!- till the last atom of haloverse had been gobbled up by 'nids.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 I'd said you're a troll due to the fact of [i]trying[/i] to shoot all of my comments down...[/quote] That's because they're wrong : [quote] and [i]board[/i], really? This is a [i]forum[/i], not board. I can't find what I'd wanted. [/quote] ... Does it really matter how I say it? [quote] Yes, Frauku, Cryptum.[/quote] What does Cryptum say? From Nemesis [quote]Every weapon in the warship's arsenal was prepared and oriented down at the surface - torpedo arrays filled with warshots that could atomise whole continents, energy cannons capable of boiling off oceans, kinetic killers that could behead mountains through the brute force of their impacts.[/quote] [quote]A bombardment had begun, and the people of Dagonet's capital feared it was the end of the world. They knew so little of the reality of things. High above in orbit, it was only the warship Thanato that fired on the city, and even then it was not with the vessel's most powerful cannons. The people did not know that a fleet of craft were poised in silence around their sister ship, watchful and waiting. Had all the vessels of the Warmaster's flotilla unleashed their killpower, then indeed those fears would have come true; the planet's crust cracked, the continents sliced open. Perhaps those things would happen, soon enough - but for now it was sufficient for the Thanato to hurl inert kinetic kill-rods down through the atmosphere, the sky-splitting shriek of their passage climaxed by a lowing thunder as the warshots obliterated power stations, military compounds and the vast mansion-houses of the noble clans. From the ground it seemed like wanton destruction; from orbit, it was a shrewd and surgical pattern of attack.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] m3andak It depends. Neither of them are real, so we have no clue how well they are actually trained and how they would fight each other. Either one could win...[/quote] Speaking hypothetically though, judging on background universe material, Space Marines have the upper hand. They've had much longer to develop the bioengineering and weaponry utilised as standard equipment by Space Marines. I'd also go so far as to say that Space Marines endure much more rigorous training, mental and physical.[/quote] I say neigh. I don't think they have, nor would they. I'm done here, I believe.[/quote] Aw, come on, you have to do better than that to reason your side.[/quote] Sorry, man, but I've told it all earlier. I may go back to copy-pasta it, but that's as far as it'll go from here.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Humans had over one thousand populated planets.[/quote] The Imperium have millions. Edit: [i]May[/i] be exaggerating. They have at least hundreds of thousands. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:42 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] m3andak It depends. Neither of them are real, so we have no clue how well they are actually trained and how they would fight each other. Either one could win...[/quote] Speaking hypothetically though, judging on background universe material, Space Marines have the upper hand. They've had much longer to develop the bioengineering and weaponry utilised as standard equipment by Space Marines. I'd also go so far as to say that Space Marines endure much more rigorous training, mental and physical.[/quote] I say neigh. I don't think they have, nor would they. I'm done here, I believe.[/quote] Aw, come on, you have to do better than that to reason your side.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] m3andak It depends. Neither of them are real, so we have no clue how well they are actually trained and how they would fight each other. Either one could win...[/quote] Speaking hypothetically though, judging on background universe material, Space Marines have the upper hand. They've had much longer to develop the bioengineering and weaponry utilised as standard equipment by Space Marines. I'd also go so far as to say that Space Marines endure much more rigorous training, mental and physical.[/quote] I say neigh. I don't think they have, nor would they. I'm done here, I believe. Humans had over one thousand populated planets. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:40 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Not the Forerunners....not the Forerunners.....[/quote] And do you evidence of this? I hope it's from Cryptum. I haven't read it because I gave up on Halo literature after what Bungie did to the Halo verse.[/quote] Yes it is from Cryptum....but unlike 40K the Forerunner civilization isn't completely brutish....they actually have some class and although they do look retarded at least they don't look like super pissed off Christians from the future....

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Forerunner ground troops can tear the crust off of a planet and turn it upside down...[/quote] So you're just trolling. Lol, ground forces actually effecting the crust of planets.

Guys, guys, guys... If you actually bothered to read up on 40k fluff, the whole scale of things is 10000 fold than that of halo. Honestly, in halo universe Humans may have populated 10 other planets/moons/whatever. In 40k billions of armies are recruited (imperial guardsmen) from billions of planets. And their enemies are in most cases far larger in number. This is relevant because those of you fanboybacking halo know nothing of what you are up against.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] m3andak It depends. Neither of them are real, so we have no clue how well they are actually trained and how they would fight each other. Either one could win...[/quote] Speaking hypothetically though, judging on background universe material, Space Marines have the upper hand. They've had much longer to develop the bioengineering and weaponry utilised as standard equipment by Space Marines. I'd also go so far as to say that Space Marines endure much more rigorous training, mental and physical. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:39 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka[/quote] How you call him out...with your ugly gorilla avatar....the only people who use those are trolls... Seriously I think the only reason your hear is because you want to troll with your retardedness.[/quote] So are you trying to troll, or do you just want to look retarded? If you're trying to troll you are really bad at it.[/quote] I'm not be I'm pretty sure he is >XD[/quote] So you're posting in this thread to make yourself look retarded? Interesting tactic. Edit: Swiftkill, he's shooting your comments down because they demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge about what a Spartan is up against. He's not trolling because he's disagreeing with your insistence. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:40 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 Damn, you're new here, that's why you don't how you can't, won't and haven't changed my view.[/quote] Que? [quote] One minute, digging for something.. can't find it, damn. I've just been freaking troll'd.. [/quote] Oh, and just how am I a troll? [quote] Are you really getting mad at me? If so, that's just showing how unlikely you should be here. I bet not.[/quote] So you're saying actual debating is foreign to you (and maybe this entire board)?[/quote] I'd said you're a troll due to the fact of [i]trying[/i] to shoot all of my comments down... and [i]board[/i], really? This is a [i]forum[/i], not board. I can't find what I'd wanted. Yes, Frauku, Cryptum. [Edited on 01.28.2011 3:38 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Not the Forerunners....not the Forerunners.....[/quote] And do you evidence of this? I hope it's from Cryptum. I haven't read it because I gave up on Halo literature after what Bungie did to the Halo verse.