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11/17/2010 11:50:37 PM
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Halo 2: The game it should have been (beta).
So I was bored one day, looking up stuff about Halo 2 and the e3 trailer, and suddenly I found a lot of stuff about halo 2 before it came out:
First off, here is the e3 trailer:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb9o-Ce_hYM[/url]
All the h2x fanboys have seen this already. You know, what could have been blah blah.
Now, for something you didn't expect:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMZgz_fVYs&feature=fvw[/url]
Check it out: MLG dudes playing a Halo 2 Beta. Notice the Halo 1 HUD, proof the game was based off the Halo 1 engine. This isn't unusual in game development, did you know that Black Ops is really based off ID tech 3?
Another public announcement:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrpjRnvl10&feature=related[/url]
Later on, there is a XBL beta running on The XBL test network AKA Parternet (as it is called on the 360). Bungie has this offical interview from gamespot:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B31J7GkvOvw&feature=related[/url]
EDIT: Turns out, it was a pressed disc given to reviewers, and most ms employees. It worked on normal unmodded xboxes, and was the beta in the other videos below. Of course, there were other betas on Partnernet, but the most common beta (and the one floating around) is the Private beta.
And another bungie interview:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9XMqg4W9-o&feature=related[/url]
Note the halo 1 HUD again and another type of HUD, you will see that in the next video.
While looking for other videos of halo 2, I found these videos too. I thought they were fake at first, but now comparing these with the other videos, these are real.
First off, here is the full main menu:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SAX6tuQofU&feature=related[/url]
Note the Xbox 1 dash style ZOOM effect, and placeholders for scrapped features.
The mongoose:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV3_p6PIFNQ&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGsIBZ0KWk&feature=related[/url]
The second one has offical narration on why it was removed.
Now for more beta menu goodness:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ug1ZnyY2EA&feature=related[/url]
And now for some scrapped crap in another version:
Single Shot BR with Different Rocket Launcher: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Vzn0WLUdA&feature=related[/url]
Another one:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atCsy1nVbb8&feature=related[/url]
Ghost getting killed by a weird flamethrower:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSVh0bPq2c&NR=1[/url]
And now for one last thing: Semi Destructable Enviroments:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9MSyX6Tr8&NR=1[/url]
That's all I could find.
EDIT: One more thing:
This is a very prototype falcon, the model isn't even finished:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgh0FHnPOo&NR=1[/url]
1-29-10 edit: New video of a hacked up beta.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5zzPO9y-4[/url]
Wonder why he didn't enable system link. And private servers might be possible, but only 2 or 3 people really give a crap about it.
Beta Zanzi:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yen1xkXMBfg[/url]
Beta Waterworks
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusDCjIn6o[/url]
Beta Midship
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Uik2nJlYQ[/url]
Info about the beta in the youtube videos:
[url]http://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index.php?title=Halo_2:Closed_multiplayer_beta[/url]
EDIT: 2-4-11
More beta footage found on gametrailers:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxUvM-VRZ5c[/url]
LameCheat also has the beta...and being the elitest he is, he is not releasing it. Heres a video of the main menu though:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlI4o-ckpM[/url]
Unlike the other person, he can't fake the connection. LOL!
EDIT: 8/18/11
Found more vids.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Sg246Wlg8]Some moongoose footage and alt weapon sounds.[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmpfQvIscM4[/url]Some glitches in viewmodels[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyEK7vJVzNY]An early attempt at cracking the beta for the above vids[/url]
EDIT: 10-20-11
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRvro0BCf4]Apparently it's been cracked and dug into, something tells me it got leakedz too....[/url]
2-6-12 UPDATE:
Oh yay, more footage:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oayV95WuAU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL]The moongoose, useless because it lacks the passenger seat[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0E4PltnXs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL]A demo of Shared.Map[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dOp8VJXl8]The full main menu. Hidden options, headhunter + invasion, plus it's limited.[/url]
4/12/12
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uhPPi7aa5g]Hey look, more footage of that beta. Now with more debug info and more weapon demos. :3[/url]
5/18/12
[url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/better-than-halo-the-making-of-halo-2-article]An interview with bungie. It also explains why the E3 demo was canned.[/url]
[Edited on 05.18.2012 11:56 AM PDT]
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This is how Halo 2 should've been. :D
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You could still shoot down the stalactites in Halo 2 full version on Waterworks.
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my mind was just blown O.O they should have kept the br the way it was, i think it would have been so much better, and actually, i think they should have done that, given us that br, instead of the dmr
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Thank you for the awesome nostalgia.
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Thanks JacobGRocks, I forgot about these beta stuff. Now the question is, what caused them to remove these stuff in the final version of the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JB 199 Thanks JacobGRocks, I forgot about these beta stuff. Now the question is, what caused them to remove these stuff in the final version of the game. [/quote]It's Bungie. They tend to mess up good ideas.
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Wow, thanks for posting these vids. I enjoyed watching them. What I find funny though is that they said they couldn't find a way to implement the mongoose into MP so that it served a purpose. Yet they just threw it into Halo 3 and Reach. What's up with that? :/
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JB 199 Thanks JacobGRocks, I forgot about these beta stuff. Now the question is, what caused them to remove these stuff in the final version of the game. [/quote] Probably time constraints. Just like how halo 2 had it's cliffhanger ending, they probably didn't have time to finish. Same with the mongoose. According to them, it was unfinished and unbalenced, so they left it out of Halo 2. In Halo 3 and Reach, they readded those features, to make up for their removal in 2. [Edited on 11.18.2010 5:00 AM PST]
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I blame the crappy Xbox with that 64MB ram. I bet the ones Bungie used were debug xbox1's which had 128MB ram.
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Halo 2 could have been absolutely insane if they'd been given enough time to finish it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V3Rsi Halo 2 could have been absolutely insane if they'd been given enough time to finish it. [/quote] If they had more time, it would be even better. Also, I posted a new video at the bottom.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V3Rsi Halo 2 could have been absolutely insane if they'd been given enough time to finish it. [/quote] If they had more time, it would be even better. Also, I posted a new video at the bottom.[/quote]Microsoft's fault, and also Microsoft's fault again for Halo 2 Vista and Games For Windows Live.
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Thanks for posting these JacobG. Now I can go back and watch the videos without forgetting any of them.
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@ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.
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This. There originally was no Halo 3. Halo 2 was going to have Halo 3 in it. But Microsoft wanted Halo 3 to be the launch game for the 360, so they told them to cut the game in half and ship what they had for Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 @ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cheeto666 This. There originally was no Halo 3. Halo 2 was going to have Halo 3 in it. But Microsoft wanted Halo 3 to be the launch game for the 360, so they told them to cut the game in half and ship what they had for Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 @ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.[/quote][/quote]I'm pretty sure that's not true. Bungie is in it for the money too you know. There would be no reason that Bungie wouldn't want to make a third installment.
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thank you for collecting these. I really enjoy seeing the changes that took place over time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BOB570 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cheeto666 This. There originally was no Halo 3. Halo 2 was going to have Halo 3 in it. But Microsoft wanted Halo 3 to be the launch game for the 360, so they told them to cut the game in half and ship what they had for Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 @ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.[/quote][/quote]I'm pretty sure that's not true. Bungie is in it for the money too you know. There would be no reason that Bungie wouldn't want to make a third installment. [/quote]Of course there was no Halo 3 when Halo 2 came out, the cart always follows the horse. I've been thinking, Bungie learned their lesson on H2; never make a game so damned good that nobody wants to play the next installment. If they had made H2 even better they would have had an even harder time selling H3. Halo 2 went strong for 3-4 years and that was bad for business. Most companies want the latest game to last 2 years tops. Then they sell you the next installment but H2 upset the applecart, it kept going and going and even now it has hurt sales and online playability of Reach because our memories of what we loved are still strong. We tend to compare every Halo installment with H2. They will not make that mistake again.
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I am actually disgusted with Microsoft. It's their fault Halo 2 got rushed, and it's their fault again that Halo 2 PC was crappiest game in the world. [Edited on 11.19.2010 4:27 AM PST]
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yeh what the -blam- happened to all those epic warthogs and that epic e3 trailer mission? that would of been sick...plus wheres halo 2 vista's map creator? i mean....is it suppost to be like forge mode? i just get a little window with all this crap..what the hell?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CHRISJ1360 yeh what the -blam- happened to all those epic warthogs and that epic e3 trailer mission? that would of been sick...plus wheres halo 2 vista's map creator? i mean....is it suppost to be like forge mode? i just get a little window with all this crap..what the hell?[/quote] That e3 mission would've gone well on the PC version. The map editor was supposed to be better than Forge mode, it was deliberately sabotaged, just so Forge mode would be better. The PC version is still in an easy to fix state, but Microsoft isn't like Valve. [Edited on 11.19.2010 8:19 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cheeto666 This. There originally was no Halo 3. Halo 2 was going to have Halo 3 in it. But Microsoft wanted Halo 3 to be the launch game for the 360, so they told them to cut the game in half and ship what they had for Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 @ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.[/quote][/quote] No. That's not quite true. MS never told them to cut it in half. The only reason why Halo 2 had a cliffhanger was because MS rushed them and so they had to build a sequel to finish the story. It wasn't intentional. Even if MS hadn't rushed them I dought we would have seen forge in Halo 2. I remember watching a video were Bungie said something about Halo 2 having a theater mode or something, but it had to be cut due to time constraints. So we might of had theater if it hadn't been rushed but I'm certain we wouldn't of had forge. Besides, I'm sure Bungie would of continued making Halo games even if Halo 3 never got made. MS would have wanted them to and I'm sure they would of liked the money that came along with a new Halo game. [Edited on 11.19.2010 10:05 PM PST]
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Why the hell did they change the start!? I loved that video! The shipped start feels kind of flat and shallow. [Edited on 11.27.2010 5:04 PM PST]
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Halo PC worse than H3 and Reach... Na PC is bad but not the "crappiest". I dont mind that they rushed Halo 2 that much it turned out to be the greatest game ever so... Although Microsoft does have alot of blame on their hands when it comes to Halo 2 ports and support, etc. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 I am actually disgusted with Microsoft. It's their fault Halo 2 got rushed, and it's their fault again that Halo 2 PC was crappiest game in the world.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JB 199 Thanks JacobGRocks, I forgot about these beta stuff. Now the question is, what caused them to remove these stuff in the final version of the game. [/quote] Probably time constraints. Just like how halo 2 had it's cliffhanger ending, they probably didn't have time to finish. Same with the mongoose. According to them, it was unfinished and unbalenced, so they left it out of Halo 2. The mongoose was originally called something else can't rember and it had a gun on the back. The reason they didn't put most of the vechiles in was they were afraid no one would use the warthog they even said on an interview look at halo pedia cut content halo 2 In Halo 3 and Reach, they readded those features, to make up for their removal in 2.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JB 199 Thanks JacobGRocks, I forgot about these beta stuff. Now the question is, what caused them to remove these stuff in the final version of the game. [/quote] Probably time constraints. Just like how halo 2 had it's cliffhanger ending, they probably didn't have time to finish. Same with the mongoose. According to them, it was unfinished and unbalenced, so they left it out of Halo 2. In Halo 3 and Reach, they readded those features, to make up for their removal in 2.[/quote]
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Sorry about that last part I was on my iPod anyway just read the bit about the mongoose I wrote. Also sear halo 2 levels cut content. I'm sure you'll find it interesting
