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4/11/2010 9:42:28 PM
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new gun idea for spiker replacement
the spiker is going to be redundant now that duelwielding is gone, but i think it should be revamped since brutes are still in te game and it was popular for them so i suggest the neww spiker be more like a pistol for brutes but it fires in bursts of say 5 spikes and does a little less damage than two h3 spikers at once but this new one has minimal recoil and reticule bloom. just an idea i just want the spiker back, any suggestions?
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so true spiker is terrible
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpartanOlympus I wants a spiker rifle[/quote]
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I think Halo needs the unconventional weapons like the spiker..one of the great things about Halo CE was the oddball nature of some of its weapons (needler, charging pp, etc). If Bungie wants to make a definitive Halo game as they tout Reach to be then it needs the unconventional weapons, even simply just for the fun factor. Changing it to a class of weapon that is already well filled by the carbine and DMR, or pulling it entirely would be a mistake...keep it the way it is; Halo needs the interesting variety of weapons [Edited on 04.11.2010 11:00 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dreezy12 Spike Rifle anyone? I like OP's idea[/quote] Technically it's a Spiker Carbine >_>[/quote] sounds amazing
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matt Tuck Wow, ok sure. Well i don't have a load of points that you the cocky guy on these forums can shoot down, but i don't think it will be in reach. Simply because it is a useless weapon, and who can honestly say in Team slayer or any other game type for that matter got a kill with it? But seeing as brutes are in Reach now(which sucks)i guess we will see your weapon in it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matt Tuck Has the spiker been confirmed to be in reach? [/quote] Nope. But it is very likely to return. Would you like to explain why you think it won't be in Reach so I can shoot down all your points?[/quote][/quote] Well, first, basic Brute Infantry need to wield something, and second, isn't it just a matter of making it more "useful" then? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jonjon3000 To Hylebos, What unique role would the spiker play in the Sandbox?[/quote] It would be a close range weapon with a unique aiming mechanic. Because it isn't hitscan like the AR, the shots do more damage, but it's easy for opponents to dodge them, forcing the user to lead their shot at medium range for maximum effectiveness, which takes a bit of skill, especially if your opponents are quite far away from you. As a result, it operates bets between close and melee range, unlike the AR which operates best between medium and close range.[/quote] plus it has a slightly stronger melee due to the blades, this was easier to see in ODST
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spiker rifle similar to the needle rifle
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DoctorG27 How exacly does melee work in this game? is it 3hit kill, 2 hit kill? Does it have large lunge?[/quote] It's a two hit kill, but now damage no longer transfer over to health. Lets say you have 70 shield health and 35 health. Melees do 70 points of damage. Let's say I do 20 points of damage to your shields with a Spiker in Halo 3 and then melee you. I would wipe out your shields and deal a remaining 20 points of damage to your health. But in Reach, Shields will absorb all the damage from most not-one hit kill attacks, so if I were to try the same stunt in Halo Reach, I would do 20 damage to the shields with my Spiker, melee you, and the end result would be that you have no shields and 35 points of health left over. So if you want to kill someone with a melee, you *must* break the shields first or else it's a wasted attack.[/quote] Thanks that was very helpful. I liked how you said spiker too lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DoctorG27 How exacly does melee work in this game? is it 3hit kill, 2 hit kill? Does it have large lunge?[/quote] It's a two hit kill, but now damage no longer transfer over to health. Lets say you have 70 shield health and 35 health. Melees do 70 points of damage. Let's say I do 20 points of damage to your shields with a Spiker in Halo 3 and then melee you. I would wipe out your shields and deal a remaining 20 points of damage to your health. But in Reach, Shields will absorb all the damage from most not-one hit kill attacks, so if I were to try the same stunt in Halo Reach, I would do 20 damage to the shields with my Spiker, melee you, and the end result would be that you have no shields and 35 points of health left over. So if you want to kill someone with a melee, you *must* break the shields first or else it's a wasted attack.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] internet cable [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] internet cable an ACTUAL nail gun. fount in harware stores and construction sites only. 1 hit kill, slow rate of fire and a 20 shot clip.[/quote] Great idea! i want that too!!![/quote] ummm.........I think I'm gunna report for trolling...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?[/quote] Hitting me with what?[/quote] With their gun.[/quote] Just checking, because that doesn't seem too terribly different from any other weapon =\ [/quote] What I meant was; If the guns effective range sat in between 'Close Range' and 'Melee Range', how much firing time would you get in before your opponent meleed you in the face? It just seems like a tiny distance to me....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] internet cable an ACTUAL nail gun. fount in harware stores and construction sites only. 1 hit kill, slow rate of fire and a 20 shot clip.[/quote] Great idea! i want that too!!!
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How exacly does melee work in this game? is it 3hit kill, 2 hit kill? Does it have large lunge?
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an ACTUAL nail gun. fount in harware stores and construction sites only. 1 hit kill, slow rate of fire and a 20 shot clip.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?[/quote] Hitting me with what?[/quote] With their gun.[/quote] Just checking, because that doesn't seem too terribly different from any other weapon =\ [quote]To be honest I don't think it's likely the Spiker will be in the game. I think it's much more likely that Brutes, if you apply the niche mentality to Covenant units, will become CQC troops. Guys who rush in to dislodge dug in marines. Therefore I think the Spiker will evolve more into a semi-shotgun sorta thing, firing a cone of spikes, sort of like the Spike Grenade, which would be used for combating multiple opponents in a tight area. Of course that's a lot of 'I think's, I guess we'll see some time in the future...[/quote] We'll see. I just don't think that it's likely as it's easier to make something like the Spiker unique in the Sandbox than it is to make something like the Mauler unique in the Sandbox, given that the Shotgun is also in the game and the Mauler can't be dual-wielded anymore.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?[/quote] Hitting me with what?[/quote] With their gun. To be honest I don't think it's likely the Spiker will be in the game. I think it's much more likely that Brutes, if you apply the niche mentality to Covenant units, will become CQC troops. Guys who rush in to dislodge dug in marines. Therefore I think the Spiker will evolve more into a semi-shotgun sorta thing, firing a cone of spikes, sort of like the Spike Grenade, which would be used for combating multiple opponents in a tight area. Of course that's a lot of 'I think's, I guess we'll see some time in the future...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?[/quote] Theres alot of sence behind this statement. I suggest making it a burst weapon like my earlier post on this page. edit: the page before this one :P [Edited on 04.11.2010 3:41 PM PDT]
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Brute Pistol = Mauler [Edited on 04.11.2010 3:38 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zapzap09 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matt Tuck ...you the cocky guy on these forums...[/quote] Hylebos isn't a cocky guy. He considers the Spiker to be somewhat of a child, to him. If I picked up your kid, screamed profanity into his face and proceeded to call him disabled, would you do something to stand up for your son?[/quote]naaa only thing kids are good for is gettin you more money for when your retired.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jonjon3000 What role would the spiker fulfill in the sandbox? Why do you like the spiker so much? would you be satisfied if the spiker was in campaign but not matchmaking?[/quote] 1) Fits between the AR / Plasma Repeater and the Melee Range Weapons (Sword, Shotgun, Hammer). 2) I don't feel like making a ten page post, though I have promised several people that I would go about explaining why I like the Spiker so much when they announce that the Spiker is in the game (likely around E3). 3) I would be sad if it didn't appear in default matchmaking, but there is always B.U.N.G.L.E. Custom Games.[/quote] Thanks for answerin.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt_of_God If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?[/quote] Hitting me with what?
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If it fits in between Close Range and Melee Range, how many seconds of firing are you going to get before the enemy just starts hitting you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos But unlike the Spiker, the Plasma Rifle's rate of fire increases as it overheats, and the shots spread out wildly. Unlike the Spiker, which is more or less accurate constantly, and the rate of fire remains constant. Also keep in mind, the Plasma Rifle isn't in multiplayer.[/quote] both of these differences are meaningless. when you have a slow traveling projectile like spikes/plasma, a gun thats pretty accurate vs one thats somewhat accurate wont make a difference. once that bolt is in the air your opponant and his strafe has the final say on whether it hits or not. even ignoring this, you can fire the plasma rifle accurately, without losing significant rof. another meaningless difference is that the spiker reloads and the plasma rifle overheats. in the end they are ultimately both relatively accurate close range weapons that you have to lead your shots.
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Hylebos, you know too much :P
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The OP's suggestion sounds like that Gun from GOW. It too shoots 5 shots, is a pistol, shoots spikes, and! It has blades.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dreezy12 Spike Rifle anyone? I like OP's idea[/quote] Technically it's a Spiker Carbine >_>
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Yah, I agree that if they made the spike rifle into a 4-5 burst weapon it would be much better. Just make the shots travel faster. And give it extra damage to the head, so if one whole 5 round burst hits the guys head he will die. Also they could focus on its blades more. Make it really short range, but give it a powerful melee, or more lunge than a normal melee. This would put it in between the shotty and the AR. While if you made the burst varient it would add a mid range gun that's accurate, but not good for close range. I personally like the burst fire version more.
