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    5/12/2009 11:41:32 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ so? it's an all out war between every thing in star trek vs everything in star wars regardless of personal attitudes, if it isn't then as i have said the battle lines would be all over the place and it would be at least a 3 way war with Klingon's, federation, rebels and all the good guys on one side and the empire off on it's own with the Borg doing what they do best because that's how their personal attitudes would dictate what they would do if the Q's personal attitudes keep them out of the war then all the other groups have to have their attitudes intact to.[/quote] So far, I've been arguing The Empire vs The Federation and Borg, The way it seems to be going would seem more like the Empire invaded the Star Trek universe and the star trek species have to team up. The Q continuum would have nothing to do with it. You're the one who keeps bringing the rebels into this, not me. And if it's an attempt to get the Q involved, that shows that you're admitting that the empire would wipe the floor with the combined forces of every -blam!- species in star trek except the demi gods, which is a group that wouldn't get involved in the first place. I'm willing to admit that the empire couldn't defeat the Q continuum, the thing is, they wouldn't have to. But hell if you insist on having them fight I'm going to have to say this. Since the force is what makes up everything, it can be assumed that the Q either are the force, or have become so adept at using the force that that's what has turned them into demi gods. Either way, they require the force to use their powers. This means that all the empire would have to do would be to bring along a bunch of Ysalamiri on their ships and the Q become powerless.
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    5/12/2009 11:29:58 AM Permalink
    so? it's an all out war between every thing in star trek vs everything in star wars regardless of personal attitudes, if it isn't then as i have said the battle lines would be all over the place and it would be at least a 3 way war with Klingon's, federation, rebels and all the good guys on one side and the empire off on it's own with the Borg doing what they do best because that's how their personal attitudes would dictate what they would do if the Q's personal attitudes keep them out of the war then all the other groups have to have their attitudes intact to.
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    Blue Max70

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    5/12/2009 11:24:48 AM Permalink
    Halo was a game while Star Trek was a T.V. series of badass characters on badass ships. However the only badass characters in Halo are Master Chief, Arbiter, and Sergeant Johnson. Because the AI in the game does some stupid stuff some times.
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    i_hate_babies

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    5/12/2009 11:20:29 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ your forgetting them ewoks and the handful of rebels were up against the empires Crack Troops the emperors best and they lost, also star trek wins I'm calling the almighty power of Q lol[/quote] A single ATAT would have been more than enough to kill all the ewoks. Also, Scout troopers are not the elite. They're quite disposable and in no way expected to excel in battle. Also, also, somebody said something about Q not hurting humans earlier in this thread. Also, also, also, we don't know if the force would be able to be used to kill Q. [/quote] go watch the movie their the emperors crack troops his word's watched them the other night for star wars day and Q's by best description are Demi gods they would just click their fingers and the force doesn't exist any more, and the whole Q's don't kill this is an all out war between to galaxies if not then the star trek vs star wars is wrong because the Jedi and rebels would join forces with the federation the Borg would be killing every thing the empire would have enemy's on all sides etc etc[/quote]He also said it was a legion. A legion is about a thousand men, there were not a thousand men fighting the ewoks. The legion of his best men were not necessarily the ones they fought considering they didn't think of the rebels as a threat. Even if it was his best men, it doesn't matter considering he's got billions of men at his disposal, and had they actually sent out the legion of men, the ewoks and rebels wouldn't have stood a chance. Q would not kill anybody or take sides because they would have no stake in the war. The Q we see in the series was actually kicked out of the continuum for helping humans. The continuum doesn't care what the -blam!- happens, they just don't mess around with it and don't take sides. They would not help out either side and would let the war play out, it doesn't matter to them who wins and who loses. [Edited on 05.12.2009 3:22 AM PDT]
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    Dark Lord PJ

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    5/12/2009 11:08:01 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ your forgetting them ewoks and the handful of rebels were up against the empires Crack Troops the emperors best and they lost, also star trek wins I'm calling the almighty power of Q lol[/quote] A single ATAT would have been more than enough to kill all the ewoks. Also, Scout troopers are not the elite. They're quite disposable and in no way expected to excel in battle. Also, also, somebody said something about Q not hurting humans earlier in this thread. Also, also, also, we don't know if the force would be able to be used to kill Q. [/quote] go watch the movie their the emperors crack troops his word's watched them the other night for star wars day and Q's by best description are Demi gods they would just click their fingers and the force doesn't exist any more, and the whole Q's don't kill this is an all out war between to galaxies if not then the star trek vs star wars is wrong because the Jedi and rebels would join forces with the federation the Borg would be killing every thing the empire would have enemy's on all sides etc etc
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    5/12/2009 10:58:04 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ your forgetting them ewoks and the handful of rebels were up against the empires Crack Troops the emperors best and they lost, also star trek wins I'm calling the almighty power of Q lol[/quote] A single ATAT would have been more than enough to kill all the ewoks. Also, Scout troopers are not the elite. They're quite disposable and in no way expected to excel in battle. Also, also, somebody said something about Q not hurting humans earlier in this thread. Also, also, also, we don't know if the force would be able to be used to kill Q.
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    Dark Lord PJ

    Dark Lord PJ

    5/12/2009 10:51:56 AM Permalink
    your forgetting them ewoks and the handful of rebels were up against the empires Crack Troops the emperors best and they lost, also star trek wins I'm calling the almighty power of Q lol
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    5/12/2009 10:42:17 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent The Borg always attack the Federation with 1 ship, or 2 ships. NEVER it's full strength.[/quote] The Empire has never had their entire armada in one place. The battle of endor was only a fraction of it's size. [quote]Borg Ships use energy beams to carve up planets for fuel.[/quote]The Death star can blow up a planet in one shot. [quote]Quantum and Anti-matter torpedoes are far more powerful than photon torpedoes.[/quote] Enterprise shields = 3,311 GW Slave 1 sheilds = 70 trillion GW [quote]The weapons on the Enterprise are defensive, they aren't a war ship.[/quote] That's doesn't change the fact that it's still enough to defeat borg ships [quote]Torpedoes have almost no effect on shields.[/quote]I believe you're forgetting that the star wars weapons are many times stronger than the star trek weapons. [quote]The Borg conquered over a quarter of the galaxy without once asking for a ceasefire.[/quote]The empire conquered the entire galaxy without once asking for a ceasefire. [quote]As soon as one shot if fired at a Borg ship, their shields adapt to render subsequent attacks useless.[/quote]Only if it's an energy based weapon such as a laser. Missiles and seismic charges would still destroy them. You can't adapt to explosions. [quote]The Borg assimilate technology and knowledge. The second they get to a computer terminal, or capture a ship it's game over.[/quote]Oh, one ship captured, I'm sure the other thousand star destroyers couldn't deal with one ship. [quote]The transporter technology alone give ST a massive advantage, all they have to do is beam a bomb over and capture the ship.[/quote]The borg cannot teleport through shields. Even if they had the ability to transport through the weak star trek shields, it would be millions of times more difficult to transport through star wars shields. Also, the force. [quote]A Borg "Tactical Cube" is a far more advanced ship than those featured more often in the series.[/quote]Far more advanced in star trek doesn't mean much in the star wars universe. [quote]Personal shielding gives them a massive advantage in infantry combat.[/quote]Virboblades are non energy weapons that can cut through just about as much as lightsabers. Assuming the borg managed to magically get aboard an imperial ship, it would be dealt with rather quickly. [quote]Lasers have very little power compared to phasers.[/quote]I'm assuming you're referring to that one time riker made fun of lasers? Boba Fett's Light guns = 6 megatons per shot. 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output of 300 million Gigawatts Enterprise main phasers = 5.1 Megawatts per emitter. 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section add up to a measly 3.6 gigawatts. [quote]And if a bunch of raggedy ass Rebels could defeat the Empire, then the most sinister villans from ST could -blam!-slap them into the sun.[/quote] No, not really.
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    Omnicent

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    5/12/2009 10:08:19 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent And what advantage does the Empire have over the Borg? I see none, in fact the Empire is inferior to the Borg by quite a ways.[/quote] Ok, let me put this in perspective for you. according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D, a capital warship with a crew of a thousand. A single one of Jango Fett's Void-7 Seismic charges in Attack of the clones completely obliterated entire asteroids aproximately 5-10 kilometers in size and others surrounding them. Another way to look at this. Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections, the only official release to state the actual stats for Star Wars ships lists Jango Fett's Seismic charges at 12,000 metatons each. The most powerful nuclear weapon Earth has ever tested was equvalent to 50,000 kilotons. The combined total power of all nuclear weapons used on earth is 510,000 kilotons. If you convert 12,000 megatons into kiltons, you get 120,000,000 kilotons. This is 235 times as powerful as all the nuclear weapons that have been used on earth combined or 2,400 more powerful than the most powerful nuclear weapon we have today. This is also equivalent to 6 million times as powerful as the bomb dropped on Nagasaki or 8 million times as powerful as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Jango Fett can carry 9 of these seismic charges. The power of the missles he carries is 190 megatons or 190,000 kilotons each. Almost 4 times as powerful as the most powerful nuclear bomb we have today. According to The Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual, the only official release with statistics, the photon torpedoes on the Enterprise-D are a mere 64 megatons, or 64,000 kilotons. Barely more powerful than the most powerful nuclear weapon we have today. And this is the most powerful weapon the Enterprise carries. Jango Fett, a bounty hunter, who's ship is nothing more than an insect compared to a star destroyer, could destroy the entire federation armada by itself. Please explain to me how the Borg, who cannot defeat the Federation, could possibly defeat the empire.[/quote] The Borg always attack the Federation with 1 ship, or 2 ships. NEVER it's full strength. Borg Ships use energy beams to carve up planets for fuel. Quantum and Anti-matter torpedoes are far more powerful than photon torpedoes. The weapons on the Enterprise are defensive, they aren't a war ship. Torpedoes have almost no effect on shields. The Borg conquered over a quarter of the galaxy without once asking for a ceasefire. As soon as one shot if fired at a Borg ship, their shields adapt to render subsequent attacks useless. The Borg assimilate technology and knowledge. The second they get to a computer terminal, or capture a ship it's game over. The transporter technology alone give ST a massive advantage, all they have to do is beam a bomb over and capture the ship. A Borg "Tactical Cube" is a far more advanced ship than those featured more often in the series. Personal shielding gives them a massive advantage in infantry combat. Lasers have very little power compared to phasers. And if a bunch of raggedy ass Rebels could defeat the Empire, then the most sinister villans from ST could -blam!-slap them into the sun.
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    5/12/2009 10:02:59 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Lord PJ The empire got beaten by -blam!- Ewoks explain how they could survive against the Borg?[/quote] No, the empire got beaten by the rebels with help from the ewoks. The ewoks helped out on the ground where they were accustomed to fighting and were able to set up a bunch of traps. They helped the rebels get into the base where the rebels then put the explosives that the rebels brought with them. The rebels then destroyed the second death star with the rebel ships. The ewoks did not defeat the empire. Now, if you would be so kind as to answer my question?
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    5/12/2009 9:38:32 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent And what advantage does the Empire have over the Borg? I see none, in fact the Empire is inferior to the Borg by quite a ways.[/quote] Ok, let me put this in perspective for you. according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D, a capital warship with a crew of a thousand. A single one of Jango Fett's Void-7 Seismic charges in Attack of the clones completely obliterated entire asteroids aproximately 5-10 kilometers in size and others surrounding them. Another way to look at this. Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections, the only official release to state the actual stats for Star Wars ships lists Jango Fett's Seismic charges at 12,000 metatons each. The most powerful nuclear weapon Earth has ever tested was equvalent to 50,000 kilotons. The combined total power of all nuclear weapons used on earth is 510,000 kilotons. If you convert 12,000 megatons into kiltons, you get 120,000,000 kilotons. This is 235 times as powerful as all the nuclear weapons that have been used on earth combined or 2,400 more powerful than the most powerful nuclear weapon we have today. This is also equivalent to 6 million times as powerful as the bomb dropped on Nagasaki or 8 million times as powerful as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Jango Fett can carry 9 of these seismic charges. The power of the missles he carries is 190 megatons or 190,000 kilotons each. Almost 4 times as powerful as the most powerful nuclear bomb we have today. According to The Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual, the only official release with statistics, the photon torpedoes on the Enterprise-D are a mere 64 megatons, or 64,000 kilotons. Barely more powerful than the most powerful nuclear weapon we have today. And this is the most powerful weapon the Enterprise carries. Jango Fett, a bounty hunter, who's ship is nothing more than an insect compared to a star destroyer, could destroy the entire federation armada by itself. Please explain to me how the Borg, who cannot defeat the Federation, could possibly defeat the empire. [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:40 AM PDT]
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    Alpha Prime

    Alpha Prime

    5/12/2009 9:22:20 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pokezilla Linked A few other thigns: Phasers are NOT 1 hit kill. I've seen people, just normal people, in Star Trek survive multiple phaser shots. Also, Precursors can increase evoloution. (spell?) We know that. Imagine them increasing UNSC, and Forerunner, AND Covenant evolution. 1 moment Forerunner can kill sentinent life, Covenant can glass, UNSC and use Nova bombs, next, Forerunner can kill everything at longer distances, better sheilds worlds, everyone gets incredibly powerful shields, Covenant blow up planets, and UNSC shatter them. Halo. Wins. And that was EXCLUDING the Flood. Sorry for typos.[/quote]Increase evolution of the species then it would all go to waste if the borg assimilate [i]one[/i] of them which is very likely. Killing sentient life is pointless because they would just kill themselves and all their allies. The Covenant and UNSC would get owned by Star Trek so their is no point in including them Star Trek can do much better than what they can do. As for shield worlds and all that well nothing is invincible so Star Trek would break into them eventually.
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    Omnicent

    Omnicent

    5/12/2009 9:13:52 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent Seeing as a raggedy-ass bunch of rebels took them out. . . I'd say Trek could hand them their collective asses.[/quote] This is just a guess, but the fact that the Rebels had weapons and ships that were actually powerful enough to cause damage to imperial ships might have had something to do with it.[/quote] -_- Obviously, and even with their massive Empire backing them they couldn't pump out something with a little more "[i]umph![/i]" Even if the Empire took out the Federation, the Borg would pwn them back to the stone age. EDIT: back on topic, it's Halo vs ST, not SW vs ST.[/quote] The Borg would be beaten just as easily as the federation. also, I was only talking about Star Trek cuz Windexx was wondering why not compare SW to ST instead of Halo to ST.[/quote] And what advantage does the Empire have over the Borg? I see none, in fact the Empire is inferior to the Borg by quite a ways.
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    Omnicent

    Omnicent

    5/12/2009 9:12:22 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alpha Prime [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] myusernamesucks [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadnought]Dreadnoughts had the ability [b]to cause stellar collapse.[/b][/url][/quote]Wow people and star trek can cause a star to basically explode with one torpedo from a civilian scientist. To counter other points from that article the borg from their hive can travel all most anywhere in the galaxy in a matter of minutes through there wormhole system so are faster than any ship from Halo. Once a ship from Star Trek takes down a dreadnoughts shields (assuming it has any) it can just fire photon torpedo's which would easily destroy it or since they have antimatter they could just fire that at it which would annihilate any matter it comes in contact with. So Star Trek could handle any Forerunner dreadnoughts that came at them.[/quote] Don't forget time travel and Warp 10!
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    5/12/2009 9:11:48 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent Seeing as a raggedy-ass bunch of rebels took them out. . . I'd say Trek could hand them their collective asses.[/quote] This is just a guess, but the fact that the Rebels had weapons and ships that were actually powerful enough to cause damage to imperial ships might have had something to do with it.[/quote] -_- Obviously, and even with their massive Empire backing them they couldn't pump out something with a little more "[i]umph![/i]" Even if the Empire took out the Federation, the Borg would pwn them back to the stone age. EDIT: back on topic, it's Halo vs ST, not SW vs ST.[/quote] The Borg would be beaten just as easily as the federation. also, I was only talking about Star Trek cuz Windexx was wondering why not compare SW to ST instead of Halo to ST.
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    5/12/2009 9:10:30 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] myusernamesucks [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadnought]Dreadnoughts had the ability [b]to cause stellar collapse.[/b][/url][/quote]Wow people and star trek can cause a star to basically explode with one torpedo from a civilian scientist. To counter other points from that article the borg from their hive can travel all most anywhere in the galaxy in a matter of minutes through there wormhole system so are faster than any ship from Halo. Once a ship from Star Trek takes down a dreadnoughts shields (assuming it has any) it can just fire photon torpedo's which would easily destroy it or since they have antimatter they could just fire that at it which would annihilate any matter it comes in contact with. So Star Trek could handle any Forerunner dreadnoughts that came at them.
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    Omnicent

    Omnicent

    5/12/2009 9:04:28 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent Seeing as a raggedy-ass bunch of rebels took them out. . . I'd say Trek could hand them their collective asses.[/quote] This is just a guess, but the fact that the Rebels had weapons and ships that were actually powerful enough to cause damage to imperial ships might have had something to do with it.[/quote] -_- Obviously, and even with their massive Empire backing them they couldn't pump out something with a little more "[i]umph![/i]" Even if the Empire took out the Federation, the Borg would pwn them back to the stone age. EDIT: back on topic, it's Halo vs ST, not SW vs ST. [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:05 AM PDT]
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    5/12/2009 8:58:10 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Omnicent Seeing as a raggedy-ass bunch of rebels took them out. . . I'd say Trek could hand them their collective asses.[/quote] This is just a guess, but the fact that the Rebels had weapons and ships that were actually powerful enough to cause damage to imperial ships might have had something to do with it.
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    Omnicent

    Omnicent

    5/12/2009 8:53:31 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Windexx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Windexx Why dont you compare Star wars to star trek? That would make more sense you retard.[/quote] Star Trek wouldn't stand a chance.[/quote] Not if they put out more movies like the new one. But anyways, yeah SW > All.[/quote] I'm not talking about popularity, I'm talking about the fact that The empire could wipe out the federation without losing a single ship.[/quote] Seeing as a raggedy-ass bunch of rebels took them out. . . I'd say Trek could hand them their collective asses.
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    5/12/2009 8:11:10 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Windexx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] i_hate_babies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Windexx Why dont you compare Star wars to star trek? That would make more sense you retard.[/quote] Star Trek wouldn't stand a chance.[/quote] Not if they put out more movies like the new one. But anyways, yeah SW > All.[/quote] I'm not talking about popularity, I'm talking about the fact that The empire could wipe out the federation without losing a single ship.
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