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KITTENS. Just kittens.

CLOSED Because people are getting worked up over old issues :)

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  • It's called marketing. Supply and demand

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    • I've given a lot of thought to your argument. It makes me ask a few questions. Are people in up roar that they have to have playstation plus to experience strikes, raids, crucible, etc? If destiny had been released with all the content of each expansion from the begining, but was $100, would that have caused an up roar? Is destiny stagnant in continuing development? I don't agree with the late change to the system. Be it for a day or a week. But, you as the customer bought into a growing and evolving comunitee. Comparing it to any other game is not fair. I guess the bottom line is, it happened. It could happen again. Voice your opinion. Expect more change.

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      • It only because this weeks strike is for the expansion only not all heroics and nightfalls forever [b]JUST THIS WEEK AND ANY OTHER WEEK THAT HAS EXPANSION STRIKES BUT NOT EVERY SINGLE WEEK[/b]

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        • Master chief says...

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          • Stop cryin and either buy the dlc or wait till next week. Of course they are goin to put the new strike on there this week that's the reason you can't do it because you didn't pay for that strike. You're not locked out of nightfall just GT that certain strike. So either get the dlc or stop cryin and wait till next week when it changes. I'm tired of seein these post today stfu and stop bein so cheap. If you like the game buy the dlc

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            • What do you people lose by having the option to choose what Weekly or Nightfall strike you do. Nothing. Internet syntax that one. You don't have a defense against it.

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            • Mmmmmmm an extra salty batch

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            • i bought the dlc and im also locked out of em until i do some missions

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              • you have to complete all of the missions, and some bounties for it to unlock it

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              • I have the DLC but I agree that putting the DLC on nightfall/weekly rotation with no alternative options for people who don't have the DLC is a pretty crappy move. On the flip side though, don't you get access to the buffed up armor for sale at the vendors? I thought I read that was for all players.

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                • Yeah this happened to my mate who don't have the dlc. Hes had to lend money to buy the season pass just to carry on playing. Bullshit if you ask me. Well at least he can play with us now lol. And great ideas. I would like the choice. I've done this like 9 times now in total with all 3 of my guys. Dlc has now bored me already. Ah well time to hoard more weapons. Good luck trying to get the change

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                  • I agree that it is a very low ball move of Bungie to do this. Nightfall is a huge part of the endgame content, that along with the changes to the strike playlists. (which I'm not entirely sure, can players who didn't purchase the DLC play the Roc playlist?) I own the DLC, and my opinion thus far is that it should have been endgame content right off the bat. It really doesn't add much other than a few new weapons, a few quests, bounties and a raid, oh and a few PvP maps that I won't play.

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                    • I love Destiny. I play it more than I should. My personal productivity is down since I've been playing it. I think it sucks that content was excised from the game prior to its release, and that one network's users get exclusive content not available to the other network's users and users of both networks still pay the same price. I lament that Destiny could have been an even better game than it is, but it's still a lot of fun and I play it and support it as a result. I bought the expansion pass back in November and I'm enjoying the new content. The developers frequently go out of their way to continue to maintain, balance and improve the game and the experience; I honestly believe that from what I've seen so far. That having been said, locking players out by including the DLC strike in the standard weekly rotation is tantamount to punishing those players - who have already purchased the base game itself - for not purchasing the DLC. I administer a (small) clan. Some of our clan members do not have the DLC; now some of us can play with each other while doing the weekly heroic and nightfalls, while other clan members are forced to sit out on patrol (or whatever). We have one clanmate who hasn't been able to get the DLC yet; he's working on the Pocket Infinity bounty, which requires time to be spent in Nightfall. Now his ability to make progress has been arrested until the DLC weeklies rotate out. He can't work on it for a week? That doesn't seem right. "Oh no, the kid can't do his exotic bounty for a week, boo hoo!" If that's your argument you're missing the point, as the OP said. Firstly, you shouldn't have game options disabled because you didn't give the company more money. Secondly, weeks add up so it does make a difference. It's one week now, but eventually it will rotate back in... By the time it has rotated through three times, that's three weeks of progress denied, and three weeks that player loses out on opportunities to acquire materials, work on bounties, etc. And what about when House of Wolves is released? Then it'll be two weeks out of every rotation that non-DLC players are punished for not paying up. Bungie said "No Guardians will be left behind," but any Guardian without the DLC is going to fall behind in terms of gear and upgrades. Guardians lose a chance at nine strange coins each week they are denied the ability to do the weekly heroic - and with exotics now requiring "exotic shards" to complete their leveling, strange coins are more valuable than ever. Guardians will lag behind on upgrades because every week they are denied opportunities to do weekly heroic and nightfall strikes they will miss out on ascendant materials and chances for new gear. Weeklies are part of the game - every week that non-DLC players are locked out of weeklies is a week they are being deprived of the gaming experience they initially paid for and (presumably) enjoyed. Change the implementation so that people who haven't picked up the DLC don't suffer. - Chronofied NB for Bungie.net webmaster(s): I was "logged out due to inactivity" while typing this (the first time), and I'm really aggravated that I spent my first work break and lost everything because typing a comment apparently doesn't register as activity. I had to spend a second work break reconstructing my original composition, with less patience than I had; the second time I typed it in Notepad first.

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                      • Bearbeitet von Malovi: 12/10/2014 7:39:38 PM
                        It boils down to this: The NF/weekly mechanic of the game is a feature that many enjoy and look forward to each week. While the addition of DLC only content to the 'playlist' of this feature does exclude those who have chosen not to purchase the DLC from participating on weeks the DLC only content is chosen, the feature itself does remain available to all players. I will admit that having a separate playlist for users who have not purchased the DLC might be a feasible alternative but it becomes increasingly difficult to accomplish as more and more DLC's are released. A simple example: Say they had multiple playlists, 1 for each group of users.. that currently breaks down into vanilla and vanilla+TDB - simple enough. When the next DLC comes out they will need to add the following playlists: vanilla+TDB+HoW and vanilla + HoW bringing it to 4 playlists.. still not unmanageable. When the following DLC comes out things start to get a little out of control because to the 4 existing playlists at that time they will need to add the following: vanilla+TDB+HoW+newdlc, vanilla+How+newdlc, vanilla+newdlc and vanilla+TDB+newdlc. As you can see, each of the expected 4 DLCs will double the number of playlists that are required to keep everyone able to play the NF/weekly which is an increase in overhead for the Developer without any increased incentive to the players to buy the new content. As such I think it was a pretty simple decision on the part of (probably) Activision to just make 1 playlist that gets added to as new content becomes available. At the end of the day you have 3 choices: 1: Keep on trucking and be mad every 6ish weeks, 2: Buy the DLC and no longer have weeks without the NF/weekly 3: Stop playing

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                      • I'm just wondering aloud here, did you ever happen to read the terms of service before you agreed to them? Bungie has the right to revoke or change access to any and all aspects of the game. That means they can stop you from doing the weekly and nightfall if you don't have the dlc. Does it suck? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. Is it fair? Yes, you agreed to the terms. I know it seems unfair to you right now, but you need to realize that you kinda walked in it by not reading the ToS and expecting something like this down the line.

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                        • Good post. Any idiot droning on about money are just moronic fanboys. This has nothing to do with money, obviously $20 is nothing, but having content removed from a game I paid for, and being forced to pay more money to get it back is a very underhanded business tactic. I'm not going to spend any more money on this game via DLC. The content itself doesn't even warrant 20 bucks, but this is an even bigger turnoff. People are stupid, and the moronic posts in this thread help me understand how a cat made 100M in 2 years....derrrr the cat poster is only 5 dollars.....derrrrr

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                        • To anyone on xbox that feels the DLC being placed into the nightfall rotation is just fine...... I think Dust Palace and The Undying Mind should be put into rotation too. I paid my money to get these strikes and just because xbox players are poor doesn't mean i should miss out on 2 strikes that could be in the nightfall rotation.

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                        • I cannot believe there are moron's in this thread against Nightfall and weekly being accesable by players who did not buy the DLC. WTF is wrong with you guys??? Have you not all been playing Nightfall and Weekly for MONTHS without having to pay a fee? Do you idiots think its OK to not only hold back content but to TAKE IT AWAY FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TO FORCE YOU TO PAY MORE!?!! Are you -blam!-ing kidding me? I have the DLC btw and that wont cloud my judgement on how unfair this is to everyone else. They bought this game with money just like we did. They are ATLEAST entitled to play what we have been playing for FREE ever since the game came out. This is insane! Bungie not only witheld developed content but they took content away that we already had! This is a new low.

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                          • Bearbeitet von OzzieDeath: 12/10/2014 7:29:06 PM
                            This a thousand times yes. your suggestion also helps out with how repetitive the weekly and nightfall are. You could choose to do either for each. Sepiks or DLC, that way not as boring.

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                            • Bearbeitet von Kronic Lee: 12/10/2014 4:58:19 PM
                              To those who don't understand, it's simple. Matchmaking should match DLC players and non-DLC players separately for the strike playlists. The activities should have only changed for those who bought the content. It would hurt no one (while the current configuration is a slap to the face of those who wont buy). You know... LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTENCE. Every point you make is perfectly valid. I for one, am lost revenue after this dlc. I had plans to buy, but now refuse, based on previous treatment by this company, and principle alone. I will now only play crucible with my friends, the rest is dead to me, Iron Banner included. I loved this game, despite its flaws and the obvious removal of many features. Despite the ridiculous PS exclusivity deal for a game with too little end content. Despite being the loneliest "MMO" I've ever seen. But the tendency for Bungie to simply make things more tedious to get, and then to later actually REVERSE many hours of play... I have become frustrated. After soaking it all up yesterday and figuring out the new systems (which you still must do online because the game still does ZERO to explain its own mechanics). I realize that ALL of these weapons and armor I have, ALL of that time spent leveling it up, ALL of that effort into grinding for shards and energy... ALL OF THAT IS PRACTICALLY GONE. IT IS ALL SECOND RATE JUNK NOW. Oh no, you can reroll it, and level it again?!?! All the Vanguard levels I've done across 3 characters? WASTED, no commendations for those. What a crock of s__t! I've never seen a game steal my progress, take content away, and belittle the hours I've spent. THIS IS A BETA, NOT A GAME. Anyone defending these actions are doing so simply because they spent the money already, like fools. All bow to the almighty dollar.

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                              • I hate the people who are like "why didnt you buy the dlc" or "did you read the terms and agreements? Lol stupid". Those people are the assholes. I have the dlc, so this doesn't affect me, but I just find it scummy and wrong to basically force people to buy the dlc, just goes to show what bungie became. [spoiler]oh sorry, I meant bungievision[/spoiler]

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                              • Completely agree with OP. Yes, I bought the DLC but I can't agree with Bungie locking the weekly heroic and nightfall away from those who didn't. Even if it's only this week and never again, it's still a shitty way to treat your customers. Had Bungie said in September "By the way, if you don't buy the DLC there may be some parts of the base game you can't play sometimes" it might have been alright. People would have known what they were getting into before they bought Destiny in the first place and could have taken that into consideration. Springing this shit on your community is something a company of assholes would do. And -blam!- anyone making the argument that it isn't expensive because you have no idea what someone's circumstances are. Hell, I know a few people who could easily afford it but didn't want it because they don't think it's worth the money. And Bungie has chosen to punish them and anyone else who didn't pay up for The Dark Below. Unacceptable. TL;DR: Bungie and elitist assholes piss me off.

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                              • Bearbeitet von Epson994: 12/10/2014 7:03:23 PM
                                Switched destiny on for the first time since DLC, for the record I don't have the DLC but was waiting to see if it's worth getting first. Can't do nightfall or weekly? WTF!! Bungie you can't take something away that's part of the game already, practically forcing people to download DLC? Kind of makes me not want to download the DLC now. Edit: ok just realised its only for this week. Apologies bungie, I can deal with that. If it was permanent I would be annoyed!

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                              • Or, you can just wait until next week when the rotation changes...

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                                • Bearbeitet von steppinrazor: 12/10/2014 9:20:41 PM
                                  People on this forum have no concept of value, so I will attempt to explain it. The value of $20 is what you accept in return for it. Try this: Take $20 out of your pocket, grab a lighter and set it on fire. No? That's because even though it's [i][b]only $20[/b][/i], there is no value in turning it into smoke. If you think you got good value for your $20, good on you. Enjoy. That doesn't mean that others can't think it is a bad value to buy the DLC. It doesn't mean that those who did not buy it should lose what they have already paid for. Hope that clears it up.

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                                • Alright heres the sich. This week there is only ONLY The Dark Below Weekly and Nightfall next week will be diffrent you cant expect them to hold back the weekly and nightfall for those who did not buy the dlc however by next week it will be something diffrent like every other week before.

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