• xxF1xx
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My clan plays a ton of BTB and Squad Battle and we are constantly getting split in BTB and we were talking last night about how we have to Ninja out of the pregame lobby to keep from getting split. It's very frustrating because you end up with people who don't play or you get pushed to the other team and lose to your own squad.

Any plans to work on this or is it even possible?

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Posted by: JonnyOThan
Play ranked.

Or, if you haven't found 8 opponents by the time the "clock" reaches about halfway, back out and search again.

Quitting out of a pregame lobby is bad.

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ummm COBRA.. i'm pretty sure YOU wouldn't have to quote him... since he is the ONE WHO WORKS FOR BUNGIE.....

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I have the same problem.

We always play social if were getting pwned in ranked matches, just to change the pace.


4 of us go into social slayer and one of our team mates gets put on another team.

Not complaining, actually it fun to kill and teabag them but we really want to play on the same team.

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I'll try that one out. Again thanks and sorry if we were breaking the rules. I'll post this up on our forums so everyone is clear on Bungies take on backing out. Just so we're clear though, we do this before it shows both teams blue/red with the map and gametype. The yellow boxes are full but the total number of players is less than 16.

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Posted by: The Urinator815
So why sometimes when you join multi-team as a party of 2 you get split up


Yep, that happens to me too.

[Edited on 10.07.2008 11:44 AM PDT]

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Posted by: The Urinator815
So why sometimes when you join multi-team as a party of 2 you get split up? Sorry to offend you Bungie, but that is really really stupid

I agree it's annoying, but what's happening is either another party is going in with more than 2 or you have a person who is joining by themselves. The system has to deal with a single person sometimes and I don't know how it does it but it makes a decision that sometimes breaks up partners.

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We were just talking about this in Optimatch

Now, I understand Mr. Cable's point, but there are often times that playing ranked is not an option. Namely when you are playing with someone who refuses to play ranked games or if you have a party size larger than 8.

And the whole "if not matched before half the timer is full" is incorrect. If the amount of people matched is even you have 4 "tics" (from the time the last person was matched) on the timer to either add more people or back out because you'll be split.

For example, if you have a party of 8 and go into DBTB, if you get matched with 2 other people initially (making 10) you have up until 4 "tics" on the timer to either get more people added or you'll need to back out. At the 5 "tic" it will normally close matching and make it a 5v5 game.

What I've suggested in the past is allow in Social games that ability to add a matching variable (similar to "quickest, my language", etc.) that would re-start the matching process if the party would become split. So say you go into DBTB with 9 people in a party. If you have that variable selected have fun sitting in the matching lobby all night long. However, if you only have the maximum amount of players for 1 team (ie 8 in DBTB) then if you would be split it would restart the matching process. Essentially doing what the party leader has to manually do currently.

~B.B.

[Edited on 10.07.2008 12:12 PM PDT]

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I want to know if signing out to keep a party from being split up is a bannable offense. I don't cheat and have no intention of starting. Is this system "cheating" in Bungie's opinion? If so I'll refrain from it from now on.

Thanks




[Edited on 10.07.2008 12:35 PM PDT]

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Posted by: JonnyOThan
You should try and press B to cancel the search instead of signing out. I'm not sure at what point it counts as quitting, but when the option to press B disappears you're doing something we didn't intend for you to do.

It sounds like you might have been failing to load Cold Storage - since it's the only map in the playlist, if you fail to load it, you'll just get booted from the game. Try loading it up in a custom game before entering the hopper.

^This. Basically if you can't leave the search by pressing B and taking the party back manually, you would be considered a serial quitter and that's a bannable offence , although it's initially a 2 week warning ban.

But yeah Best thing I do is Back out of a Search if I don't ave eqaual opponents found by the time it gets 1/4 of the way around we back out, it's not that bad because we tend to find games befroe then.

But the reason why people get spli in any social game is that in Social playlists Every player in the party is considered another player adding to total players the game requires to start,.

it initially Recognises them as players in a party and Most of the time sets them up with eachother, but if it finds the minimum required to start the game and enough time passes by, it'll consider the game meeting it's minimum requirement of players needed to srtart a game regardless of party.

However in the case of a Full game of 16 plarers which has a full squad of 8 getting split or a Multi team game where the partners are split, this is usually attributed to there being mulitple parties in which it's not possible for the larger party to remain for it to be evenly matched agaisnt other partying members like a Team of randoms or 4 parties of 2 so they try to reduce the amount of parties in one team at a time where possible, but this is very rare any way. although it's a little more common in Multi team.

Most of this I found was through observation, and it very well could be flawed but it's there anyway. Just learnt when to back out as opposed to quitting before the game starts because after the B to return to Lobby Disappears it counts as a Quit Early. So tread lightly.

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I don't know if "ninja-ing out" is bannable. The system of course doesn't count it against you in terms of EXP, but it makes for a less-than-stellar experience for the people you matched against. Backing out before the game locks in allows them to keep looking for more people.

As for getting split in multi-team, I suggest you look closely at the way the parties are arranged. Sometimes it's impossible not to split a party, even if it's equal to the team size. If a split is necessary, the system will prefer not to split parties that are on the same xbox. For example, if two parties of 7 (everyone on different boxes) and one party of 2 (playing splitscreen on the same box) get matched up, then the party of 2 will not be split - and one or both of the parties of 7 will be.